How do I get the engine to sit in the mounts?

[showbizkid]

OK, I finally got some Stude time today. When we put the engine back in, we accidentally trapped the exhaust headpipe between the tie rod and the pan (as seen below).



So I hooked up the hoist and lifted the engine a little bit today, and the pipe was freed. Problem is, when the passenger's side engine mount stud slipped out of the frame mount, the engine went toward the rear of the car. I tried to get it back in with a little "persuasion" between the firewall and the head, but no go.



Here's what I'm looking at right now. What do I need to do to get the engine forward enough for the isolator stud to drop into the frame mount? Do I need to loosen up the trans x-member bolts and wiggle stuff around? Help! I'm so close I can taste it!!!


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[N8N]

yes, leave everything loose until the engine is seated. It helps to simply put the various nuts on as loosely as possible once a stud drops in, take most of the weight with the hoist, and simply grab ahold of stuff and wiggle. I don't like to tighten down any mount until they all are set in. Probably not as important on a Stude where gravity does most of the work, but on some other cars making sure that the mounts are unstressed in a neutral position is important for long mount life

nate

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[StudeRich]

Just loosen the rear engine mount to crossmember bolts, and center the engine on all mounts before dropping the full weight on them.

Be careful of damaging linkages, lines, hoses and fan/radiator if not all disconnected.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

[bams50]

Exactly what I'd recommend.

As a rule of thumb, never tighten any fastener on any assembly until all are started ans everything's sitting naturally where it's supposed to be.



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[showbizkid]

Thanks, guys. Long time car lover, first time rebuilder here


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[Roscomacaw]

Clark, I can't remember - is this car an automatic??? IF SO... there's an offset to the holes in the ears that mount up to the bellhousing. It looks to me like that difference is JUST the amount of difference you'd gain if the rear motor mounts were swapped, left for right. Do tell.........[:I]

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[Roscomacaw]

ALSO - if it's an automatic, it gets a fat (1/2" or so) spacer washer between the Rt rear motor mount and the crossmember. None on the left side.[^]

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[StudeRich]

Biggs, I think you will find it is opposite of that!

Spacer under LEFT rear engine mount! [:0]

It is partially at least, to help clear the steering gear.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

[starlightchamp]

Looking from rear towards the front, the left side (Driver side) needs the 1\/2 " spacer.

[StudeDave57]

The spacer is there- (and in the right place) trust me please!!!!

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[Roscomacaw]

Hah! Right you are, Rich. Geez - after all these years. I was visually (in my head) standing IN FRONT of the car when I wrote that!

Well Dave, what ABOUT the rear mount's orientation?

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[StudeDave57]

quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Well Dave, what ABOUT the rear mount's orientation?

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It's been a few months (or more) but I'm pretty sure we put them in the rear.
I kid 'cuz I'm a kidder...

StudeDave [8D]

[showbizkid]

I remember cross-checking the part #s before those rears were installed and I'mpretty sure they're right... Driver's side front mount lines up OK.


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[Studeman]

It is possible to reverse the automatic transmission mounts. If you do, the front motor mount studs will not line up correctly. (the trans mounts are NOT symmetrical, there is a Left/Right)
If in question, remove the trans mounts, set the engine in the correct holes, then reinstall the trans mounts where they line up correctly.

Ray


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[showbizkid]

Dang... Dave, maybe that explains why you were having such a hard time getting that trans mount lined up right...

So I apply some lift to the block with the hoist... should I put a floor jack under the trans and lift? If so, where do I lift from??


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