Hurst 4 speed linkage

[GTtim]

Does anyone have a photo of the Hurst 4 speed linkage with the rods bent and successfully installed? We've been having problems in getting the new rods to work right. I'm just wondering if we have missed something. Maybe a photo will help us work out the problem. We're working on a '64 Lark.
Thanks

Tim K.
'64 R2 GT Hawk

[sals54]

Tim, Where are you guys located? I have a Hurst shifter with the rods recently removed from a running 4 speed. I could take pictures of it laying on the floor or if you are near the west coast you could borrow the rods if you want. Then you could bend them to match and just return them when done. Let me know.

[Mike]

Does the Lark use the front mounting holes on the transmission tail shaft housing,(like a Hawk); or the rear, (like an Avanti)? I think Nate had a problem with the 3/4 rod on a Hawk kit.
Since you mention "new" rods and levers, I guess you have the Hurst instruction sheet.
Mike M.

[N8N]

IIRC it was the 1-2 rod, a search of the forum should find the post. I ended up getting a used rod from Lee D. because the replacement I got from Jeg's was also bent wrong. Unfortunately I didn't think to take any pics while the car was in the air.

nate

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55 Commander Starlight
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[studeski]

To expand on what GTtim wrote. We started with the reverse rod. Had to do quite a bit of bending to get it to fit right. I think the 1-2 rod was next and looked OK. The 3-4 rod needed a lot of bending too. But on the run through the 1-2 rod hit the reverse rod going to 2nd gear. It looked like the fix would be more modification to the reverse rod. Then it broke. We had to stop there to go to the WRSDC Spring meeting. The Hurst directions state there may be modifications needed to make it fit. How much difference can there be between the Chevy or Ford T10 tail housing and side cover and the Studebaker/Ford version? I couldn't believe what we had to go through. I thought Nate had posted pics on his old website related to an earlier thread on this subject. Fun, fun, fun! For that kind of money it should fit.

Claude Chmielewski
Studeski
http://www.studeski.com
Fillmore, Wisconsin
47 M-16 Truck
62 GT Hawk
63 Lark
64 Commander Wagonaire
50 Champion Regal (parts car)
[img=left]http://www.studeski.com/62hawk/dakota01.jpg[/img=left]
"One after another they volunteered how in their families and in their
communities they were expected to be responsible for their behavior, how
honesty was assumed to be the rule, not the exception. They also talked
matter-of-factly about the sense of duty to their country, a sentiment not
much in fashion anymore."

[N8N]

I may have posted pics previously but I had to take a lot of them down when I switched ISPs. I didn't think I'd taken any, but maybe I did and just forgot I'll try to remember to look on my laptop tonight (I typically don't ever delete pics, just archive them on CD-ROM when my HDD gets full)

nate

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[N8N]

Oh, and I forgot to mention. I think the reverse rod gets mounted backwards WRT the other two. That is, if the adjuster is mounted at the trans end on the 1-2 and 3-4 rods then it's mounted at the shifter on the reverse rod. i'm going completely off memory here so might want to check before you start taking this as gospel.

nate

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[Mike]

I recently bought a used Avanti shifter that had been installed incorrectly, with the adjusters at the arms on the side cover. The 3/4 rod had been bent, and cracked, to make it fit. You guys are scaring me. Do you mean the new arms and rods I bought aren't going to fit? They look like the parts in the old illustrations, and are stamped with the right #'s. I think "you know what you are doing"; it's just that there are so many ways the parts can be assembled.
I think the Hurst instructions would be a good place to start. If I was having trouble, I would check the part #'s, stamped on the parts, against the list on the instruction sheet.
All three adjusters are supposed to be at the shifter. The reverse adjuster points toward the trans. The other two point away.
The 3/4 rod hooks toward the trans, at the shift arm. Reverse and 1/2 rods hook away from the trans. The 3/4 arm, on the side cover, zig-zags away from the trans. Reverse and 1/2 arms zig-zag toward the trans.
There are only two mounting kit variations for a "Competition Plus" shifter on a T-10: front or rear mounting.The reverse arm for use with a shifter mounted in the forward position is different from one for the rear position: front = 105 2142, rear = 105 1670. The other arms are the same. Of course, the rods are different.
Mike M.

[Dan White]

You might want to check with Dave T-bolt (1-978-897-3158). I got my Hurst 4spd kit from him and had no problems with the install.

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

[Swifster]

Mike, worst case senario is that you buy the installation kit from Hurst. I've seen these priced from $100 and up for a new kit. Some of the sites selling the installation kits have the instuctions as a downloadable .pdf.

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

[Mike]

I wanted one of the old Hurst shifters, made for Avanti's; and considered myself lucky to find one. They haven't been available for some time, new. I'm aware of the conversions, with the stock Avanti lever.
My comments about the orientation of arms and rods were written while I was looking at the Hurst installation instructions. They come with the installation kits, which do indeed cost $100. I scanned the instructions, and don't mind Emailing a copy or two to folks having problems. I don't think Hurst would mind, either. Posting them is another matter.
I really think the 3/4 rod on my used shifter had to be bent because it was mounted backwards. I expect the new one to fit, when it's installed properly.
Summit Racing has the installation kits, as well as individual arms and rods. They are considered "maintenance parts" for the Hurst shifters. They have pictures of the individual rods, which may help.
I installed a "Competition Plus" Hurst on my '61 Hawk 4spd, about 35 years ago. It fit perfectly, (front mounting holes). I think all the individual part #'s in the kit remain the same.
Mike M.

[studeski]

Mike,
We must have read the instructions 5 times. The zigzag in the 3/4 lever isn't enough. The 3/4 rod was hitting the nut on the 1/2 shifter shaft. So how do you do that wrong? There's got to be something different from the old shifters and the new ones. Shifter mounting bracket or shift levers? Made in China?


Claude Chmielewski
Studeski
http://www.studeski.com
Fillmore, Wisconsin
47 M-16 Truck
62 GT Hawk
63 Lark
64 Commander Wagonaire
50 Champion Regal (parts car)
[img=left]http://www.studeski.com/62hawk/dakota01.jpg[/img=left]
"One after another they volunteered how in their families and in their
communities they were expected to be responsible for their behavior, how
honesty was assumed to be the rule, not the exception. They also talked
matter-of-factly about the sense of duty to their country, a sentiment not
much in fashion anymore."

[Mike]

Exasperatin', ain't it!
You mentioned the mounting bracket. They have changed the design. The old "mounting plate" was an aluminum block. The new one is a formed steel plate. I have both, and will compare them to see if it looks like they position the shifter differently. As I remember, the old rods were larger diameter, and cad plated instead of the black finish. I'm hoping they haven't got the bends wrong. Maybe they have.
The 3/4 arm, on the side cover, zig-zags away from the trans. The 3/4 rod hooks into the arm toward the trans, on the outside of the arm. And the adjuster, which is at the shifter, positions the rod away from the trans. These four things move the rod away from the 1/2 shaft and nut. Any of the four could be reversed, "done wrong".
Mike M.

[studeski]

There was three of us working on this thing. We had the 3/4 rod right. It still hit the 1/2 shifter shaft and we had to bend it.

You know, 40 years ago I installed a lot of shifters. Hurst and whatever with no trouble. Even Spark-O-Matic!!!!

When they tell you that you may to modify it! They mean it!



Claude Chmielewski
Studeski
http://www.studeski.com
Fillmore, Wisconsin
47 M-16 Truck
62 GT Hawk
63 Lark
64 Commander Wagonaire
50 Champion Regal (parts car)
[img=left]http://www.studeski.com/62hawk/dakota01.jpg[/img=left]
"One after another they volunteered how in their families and in their
communities they were expected to be responsible for their behavior, how
honesty was assumed to be the rule, not the exception. They also talked
matter-of-factly about the sense of duty to their country, a sentiment not
much in fashion anymore."

[Jackson]

I recently installed a Hurst shifter in my 63 Lark R2. The shifter was 3913780 (bench seat) and the kit was 3734734, minimal linkage tweaking, works great.


34 STUDEBAKER STREET ROD
55 SPEEDSTER (in work)
63 R2 LARK (in work)
85 AVANTI (9K miles)