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Lark frame- 2dr. & 4dr. the same?

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  • laughinlark
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    Hey Robert

    Change the frame and be done with it! Back in early 80's, myself and four buds changed frames in my 61 2dr Lark. The buds were there for muscle and refreshments. The swap was pretty simple. We put one in from a doner 59 2dr ht that was really rusty. Still have parts laying around for that car. Anyway, if I remember right the only difference was the added floor support at the door jam had to be removed. (where the striker plate is)

    Gordon

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  • StudeRich
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    NO, there were no '59 Lark VIII 2dr's. actually very few '60's!
    We cannot count the one employee who MAY have special ordered one car or anything like that, which of course IS very possible! [^]

    quote:Originally posted by Transtar60

    quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

    I have to say (softly)
    Since there were no '59 V8 2dr's.
    StudeRich
    Are you sure there were no 1959 Lark V8 2dr sedans??
    I'm pretty sure there were a couple made
    StudeRich
    Studebakers Northwest
    Ferndale, WA

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  • Dick Steinkamp
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    quote:Originally posted by Transtar60
    Are you sure there were no 1959 Lark V8 2dr sedans??
    I'm pretty sure there were a couple made
    Although the literature says only 6 cylinders in the '59 2 doors, ANYTHING is possible with our Studebakers [:0]. The wheelbase was the same on all '59 Larks except for the wagon, so I would think it would be possible to use a V8 frame from a 4 door or hardtop.

    BTW, does anybody know the frame gauge of a '59 V8, 59 6, 54 V8 and 54 6?

    Thanks.


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  • Transtar60
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    quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

    I have to say (softly)

    Since there were no '59 V8 2dr's. your '59S 2dr. is 14ga. your '60 V8 4dr. is 13ga. neither are the good 11 ga. like '62 & on (wrong wheelbase to fit a '60).
    http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com...14,gauge,frame

    StudeRich
    Studebakers Northwest
    Ferndale, WA
    Are you sure there were no 1959 Lark V8 2dr sedans??
    I'm pretty sure there were a couple made


    3E38
    4E2
    4E28
    5E13
    7E7
    8E7
    8E12
    8E28

    59 Lark
    etc

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  • bams50
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    Nope, old Mabel is still in storage, bumped by the various other Studes that have followed me home since then

    I forgot how hard it was getting a direct, clear answer on this question... still am a little confuddled about it[xx(]

    Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
    Parish, central NY 13131


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  • StudeRich
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    Retired, all of your posts are interesting to say the least, they mostly all revive old posts! At least you have been reading/searching old posts listed before you joined or posted, which is good! [^]

    However by now; a YEAR later Bob who asked the question, could have sold or finished his '59 and '60 Larks![^] Though I don't think he has.



    StudeRich
    Studebakers Northwest
    Ferndale, WA

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  • Retired
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    Two door, four door, same body, two door, front door is wider,"b" piller repositioned. Frame would be the same. '47-'52 and maybe later, Champion and Commander two, four, bodies were the same. Land Cruiser, look under the rear floor mat and you will find the welded body extension piece. LC had their own rear doors. Was this alteration done in house or did the body builder do it?

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  • StudeRich
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    Yes Dave; that would be right, NO Wagons or Hardtops had "X" members.
    Only Wagonaires ('63-'66), and Convertibles, of course also Avantis.

    Police, Taxi, Severe service "fleet vehicles", Export cars etc. were all stiffened by means of the previously mentioned heavy gauge frame.

    StudeRich
    Studebakers Northwest
    Ferndale, WA

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  • StudeDave57
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    I'm not so sure about the hartops, but I DO KNOW~
    The only wagons with the 'X' memeber were the Wagonaires~
    '63-'66 WITH the sliding roof...



    StudeDave [8D]
    V/P San Diego County SDC
    San Diego, Ca


    '54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
    '57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
    '57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
    '57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
    '58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
    '65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

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  • kamzack
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    Hey Robert,
    Call Steve Cade at 352=472=9369. He has the books with all the dimensions and can tell ya positively. As far as thickness is concerned you're right, doesn't matter. Will also mention converts,hardtops and wagons had an "x" member in the frame to give it structure stability. There may have been other severe service cars that had the x member, but I've owned the catergories above and know they have it.
    Kim

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  • John Kirchhoff
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    The shop manual shows one diagram that includes both cars, so they should be the same. If you need I can email you a copy so you will know where the mounting points are.

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  • bams50
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    I see... maybe I should mention that both the subject and donor cars are 6 cylinders...

    So to be clear: The 2 and 4dr. frames are exactly the same dimensionally- and with both cars having the flat 6, in my case thickness doesn't enter in...

    Did I get it right?[:I]

    Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
    Parish, central NY 13131
    http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

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  • StudeRich
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    I have to say (softly) that none of your answers are quite on target to answer Bob Andrews question.
    The truth is the parts book helps, but the Shop Manual actually TELLS YOU the frame rail thickness. Also many good posts on the forum say basically that 6 or 8 cyl. does not matter, EXCEPT on 2 doors, some years like '59-'61 they used a light frame 13 ga. on V8 & on 6 cyl. 2drs. a even lighter 14 ga. one. Most 4 dr's. H/T's, wagons, Police, Taxi, Jet Thrust Engined cars have heavy 11 ga. frame. The answer is NO Bob, they are not the same. Since there were no '59 V8 2dr's. your '59S 2dr. is 14ga. your '60 V8 4dr. is 13ga. neither are the good 11 ga. like '62 & on (wrong wheelbase to fit a '60).
    http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com...14,gauge,frame

    StudeRich
    Studebakers Northwest
    Ferndale, WA

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  • rockne10
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    This may not help but I have a Motors Crash Book from 1953-1957. The 53 and 54 two door and four door used the same frame. The 55 two door, four door and station wagon used the same frame. The 56 and 57 sedans and wagons used the same frame (except Classic Sedan). Without access to a 59-60 Crash Book, I would guess you would be good to go. It would be nice if an old local body shop still had that book on the shelf.

    Brad Johnson
    Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
    33 Rockne 10
    51 Commander Starlight
    53 Commander Starlight

    previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

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  • John Kirchhoff
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    My shop manual shows the same frame dimensions being used for both the 2 and 4 door models.

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