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  • bams50
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    FWIW, I don't think any of the racecars I drove over 24 years used anything BUT Holley- from 2bbl. 500s to 850 double pumpers- from stock classes to 467 cu. in. BIG-buck engines- and have never known ONE to be trouble! We always carried spare power valves, bowl gaskets, and jets as we sometimes had to make quickie jet changes in the pits; never had leaks, don't recall ever using any spare bowl gaskets... we used to have to pull the carb and give it to tech so they could spec it, then we'd put it back together and stick it back on!

    I'm not doubting those who say they've had trouble with Holleys- just adding my experience with, and respect for, Holley carbs!!

    Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
    Parish, central NY 13131
    http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

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  • studeclunker
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    Well, I got the car home this morning. The carb is completely toast. It's been out in the weather for at least twenty years. The engine and carb are perfectly matched. Both are frozen as solid as granite. Looks like i'll try the Edelbrock.

    Lotsa Larks!
    K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
    Ron Smith

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  • gordr
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    FWIW, my GT Hawk came to me with a quadrajet [:0] installed on the WCFB-style manifold. The car had a nasty cyclical surge right at 30 mph.
    I bought a brand new Edelbrock 1403 (500 CFM, electric choke), and installed it using a fiber spacer plate. It ran great, right out of the box. This year, I replaced the WCFB manifold with a modified manifold built by Studebaker John Lasseter. Carb continues to perform fine, but the car is getting Prestolite distributor disease.

    I'd recommend the Edelbrock because: it fits, it works well, and it looks almost stock. I tend to avoid Holleys because of the fact that they rely on the integrity of the fuel bowl gasket to keep the fuel from leaking all over the manifold. Perhaps in a racing application, there could be few horsepower gained by using a Holley, but I don't want the maintenance headaches, thanks.

    Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

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  • kamzack
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    For my 20 cents worth, both are good carbs in most sizes. the Weber manufactured, Carter AFB copied, Edelbrock labeled spread bore carb is a bolt on and run. They do not need hardly any adjusting at all. If you use a wcfb intake pattern, need the adapter plate to go to spread bore. When I worked in a Stude restoration shop we installed one in a customers' beautiful black Avanti. We had to use an aluminum spacer plate to clear linkage at the intake. That may have been peculiar to that Avanti, so it depends where the bellcrank swings. The man that owned the shop heard how it ran and sounded,so he wanted one put on all his V8s. They're foolproof and in the neighbor hood of $250.00. I've used Holley and AFB, both good, but setting floats and replacing power valves got bothersome. If you keep your foot out of it(what a joke,I never could) it'll give you better mileage than twice barrel. I would not hesitate to use one.
    Kim

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  • Mike
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    The "Chicken Hawk" uses two R2 type AFB's; complete with the black plates riveted to the airhorns that say they are special sealed Avanti carbs.
    Mike M.

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  • CHAMP
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    It doesn't matter whether you use a Holley or Eldelbrock as long as you use it on a Studebaker I love my Studebaker today![8D]

    GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

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  • sbca96
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    Yes, I subscribe to both Car Craft, and Popular Hot Rodding. Both have
    had feature articles on ALL the different brands. Holley carbs have
    the most amount of space in each article I have read. A Holley carb
    usually gives considerably more tuning ability then an AFB. This is both
    a blessing and a curse. Another contant issue with Holleys is leaking
    fuel. This is quite common as the fuel bowl gaskets are vertical. I'm
    not attempting to pick a fight, only making simple fact known to a
    person that asked a question. Holleys usually need constant attention,
    and AFBs rarely need anything. My Avanti has never had any problems
    in the last 10+ years I have had it. Only recently did I finally clean
    the carb! It finally got an air filter too. Granted I havent driven
    the car too much in the last 10 years, but sitting isnt good either.
    Holleys tend to be popular since they potentially can get more power
    from the engine they are on. I am not aware of how many of each brand
    are sold, I wouldnt even know where to look. It is common knowledge
    that AFB's are for slamming the hood, & Holleys are for winning races.

    (though I am sure AFBs have won a race or two - isnt Ted running one
    on the Stewed Tomato? His Chicken probably has a Holley)

    Tom

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  • Roscomacaw
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    Remember the photo I posted about a month ago that featured my friend's 60 Lark 2dr? I gave him a 385CFM Holley 4bbl that had been given to me some years prior. It was brand new but I never had call to use it and I just gave it to my friend because he'd given me so many Stude parts thru the years.
    He had to rejet that thing to make it work right on his 289 but once done, it's a great-driving unit. I know firsthand how well it runs as I've driven it recently[^]

    Miscreant adrift in
    the BerStuda Triangle!!

    1957 Transtar 1/2ton
    1960 Larkvertible V8
    1958 Provincial wagon
    1953 Commander coupe

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  • Dick Steinkamp
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    quote:Originally posted by sbca96

    If you look in any car magazine in their Carb Tech area, you will see
    about 2 pages of Holley tips for fixing/tweeking, & about one paragraph
    for the AFB (Carter/Edelbrock). Just FYI.
    I'm not sure what you are saying here. First of all, are there really some car magizines out there with a "Carb Tech" area? I subscribe to several, and rarely do any have articles on carbs these days...let alone an on going tech area. When they do have an article, you are correct...more deal with the Holley carb than any other.

    If you are saying this is because the Holley is the most popular aftermarket 4 bbl carb out there, can be tuned in more ways to the specific engine and application, is the easiest to tune, and has the largest installed population, then I would agree.

    If you are saying this is because they are one of the worst carbs out there and always are needing "fixing/tweaking", then you might look for another argument. Magazines rarely feature the worst of things...especially over several decades.

    I think the AFB has also stood the test of time and is a fine carb. The fact that far more Holley's have been sold than AFB and AFB clones tells me a lot, however. The market generally sorts through the choices available and the "best" become the top sellers.

    This is not to discourage anyone from using an AFB or AFB clone. Studebaker used the AFB in the last couple of years on their V8's and (if for no other reason) it's nice to stick with that heritage.


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  • sbca96
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    If you look in any car magazine in their Carb Tech area, you will see
    about 2 pages of Holley tips for fixing/tweeking, & about one paragraph
    for the AFB (Carter/Edelbrock). Just FYI.

    Tom

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  • studeclunker
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    Ok, Biggsey. If you say so, I'll try it. But it gets yanked if it doesn't behave!

    Lotsa Larks!
    K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
    Ron Smith

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  • Roscomacaw
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    Auto lore aside, the market decides what's good and what's bad. I've heard Holley carbs are trouble. Yet if this is really true, how is it that they're still being built and sold???
    Drill bits made of plastic could be marketed with all sorts of pluses![:0] You know, lighter weight, cheaper to manufacture, won't rust, etc., etc., etc.. BUT - if the damned things won't cut the metal, how long do you think they'll last in the marketplace???[}]
    Holley's been around for ages. It takes a decent product to survive.

    I've got a really tired WW on the Transtar. Thing is, the stupid carb doesn't know it's supposed to cause trouble. Things that don't cause me trouble tend to not get changed.[^]

    Miscreant adrift in
    the BerStuda Triangle!!

    1957 Transtar 1/2ton
    1960 Larkvertible V8
    1958 Provincial wagon
    1953 Commander coupe

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  • studeclunker
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    Packard, be careful what you ask for... I've got a lot of them.

    Lotsa Larks!
    K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
    Ron Smith

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  • PackardV8
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    Greetings, All,

    Please, everyone throwing away the junk Carter AFB and WCFB off your Studes, throw 'em my way. I am doing some restorations and am in need of cores to rebuild for them. E-mail me off list with what you have to donate. I'll pay shipping and something for your trouble.

    thnx, jv.

    PackardV8

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  • ROADRACELARK
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    Ron,
    For the trouble-free operation you're after, I would opt for the electric choke...sure is easier than that manual choke cable. Just a few xtra bucks...but it's worth it. Hope this helps.
    Dan Miller

    [img=left]http://static.flickr.com/57/228744729_7aff5f0118_m.jpg[/img=left]
    Road Racers turn left AND right.

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