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  • jackb
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    Parchment White is a little different than Ermine or Wimbledon white. Parchment has a little more yellow in it....I think Ermine is correct for wheels, mirrors, etc....

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  • Skip Lackie
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    Originally posted by TWChamp View Post
    " Directional signals were optional, either painted or chrome"

    I thought turn signals were a federal requirement by 1953 or about then.
    My recollection is that directional signals became mandatory in the US in 1957, but I'd be pleased to be corrected. (I looked it up once, but don't remember what the answer was. What I do remember is that it was a royal pain in the a-- slogging through the FMVSS to find that one little factoid.)

    But the answer is more complicated when talking about trucks. Many states required directional signals on trucks, especially big trucks, long before the Federal standard became effective. In addition, beginning with the 1957 3E series, Studebaker offered two different classes of signals on trucks. Class A used separate signal lamps, both front (on the fender tops) and rear. Class B used the existing parking lamps and tail lamps. So the truck accessories lists showed both of them as optional -- but it was really only to the extent that one or the other had to be chosen. Still, the 1963 accessory list still shows the front signal lamps as being optional, even on big trucks.

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  • TWChamp
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    " Directional signals were optional, either painted or chrome"

    I thought turn signals were a federal requirement by 1953 or about then.

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  • Skip Lackie
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    Originally posted by Skip Lackie View Post
    I do not have access to my parts book or truck data book right now, but will try to answer your questions from memory. Will be glad to be corrected if I am wrong. Can check my facts later in the week.

    Champs were available in both standard (T4) and deluxe (T6) trim. The code is stamped on a plate on the passenger side cowl. The T6 trucks came with more shiny trim, including chrome grille, directional signals, mirrors, and other stuff. As I recall (could be wrong), chrome bumper(s) were not automatically included with the deluxe package, but could be ordered separately. And all of the T6 bits could be ordered separately for a T4 truck. Dealers routinely added this stuff at the request of owners or to improve the chances of selling a plain-jane truck.

    You are correct -- the fender-mounted mirror is not correct. Those that SI sells for trucks are correct, and were originally available in both white and chrome.

    The tail lamp brackets were originally painted black. I have seen some painted white, but doubt it they came that way.

    Studebaker included somewhat different items in the T6 package in different years, so don't be surprised if the above was not exactly true for your year truck.

    Edit: Agree with Bob's post above. We both typed ours at the same time, but he beat me to the punch.
    Can confirm some of the above and add a bit more info after consulting some of my books. Deluxe T6 trucks came with chrome/stainless grille, park lamp housings, w/s trim mldgs, fender trim, hub caps, gas cap, vent windows. Plus bunch of other stuff, like sliding rear window, dome lamp, padded dash, two arm rests and sun visors, etc. Front bumpers were painted off white. Rear bumpers were optional, (technically only painted, but the chrome one will fit because it was the same one as used on C-cabs). Directional signals were optional, either painted or chrome. They don't seem to have been tied into the T4/T6 differences, but most C4/T6 trucks I have seen had chrome signal housings. Outside mirrors were optional, whether painted, chrome head only, or all chrome. I suspect most people who spent the extra money to get a deluxe truck probably went ahead and spent another few dollars to get chrome signal housings and mirrors.

    I have no definitive info regarding the tail lamp brackets, but I looked at three original Champs, both T4 and T6, and they all had black tail lamp brackets. With the P2 bed, almost none of it shows anyway.

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  • StudeRich
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    Yes, "some" Parchment Whites are close enough.

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  • Randy Lorenz
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    Thanks for the great info, every bit helps with doing this right the first time. I do have the chrome headlight rims and a sliding back window.

    Is the off-white you are referring to called parchment white?

    Would the rims be the same white as the bumpers, and mirror brackets?

    Putting a white bumper on will make it much easier since I don’t have a bumper yet. Now finding a back bumper may be a little harder. Anybody have a suggestion where to try and find one?

    Thanks
    Randy

    - - - Updated - - -

    Nice, thanks for the picture, it helps a bunch.

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  • 62champ
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    Here is a rear end that might have gotten it right - and it is a '61 to boot.

    Wonder if the listing for the 7/8E rear chrome bumpers are the leftovers from the C-cabs.

    Last edited by 62champ; 01-29-2018, 04:15 PM.

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  • StudeRich
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    No Chrome Bumpers for '61 Champs, also NO Black Tail Lights, all trim not Chromed on a T6 were Off-White, the Standard slightly Yellow White, Including Bumpers and the Mirror Brackets.

    I would never put a Chrome Bumper in the Rear, but many have added Chrome front ones and no one will complain, they look good.

    Click image for larger version

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ID:	1719385 I have a lot of Champ Truck Pics, but every one of the narrow Bed, P1 Beds have been Restored and the Tail Lights repainted Black or body Color, which explains WHY so many here THINK they are correct.

    Your Head Light Rims on a T6 would be Chrome and it should have a Sliding Rear Window.
    Last edited by StudeRich; 01-28-2018, 08:10 PM.

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  • rbisacca
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    I just rechecked my parts books and sure enough, no front chrome bumpers are listed for the Champ. But strangely, chrome bumpers were listed as ( spec. equip. ) on the 3E & 4E trucks. Even stranger, a rear chrome bumper is listed for the 7E & 8E models.

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  • 62champ
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    Looks like everyone has got you the information you needed.

    One item - according to information I have seen, Studebaker never offered chrome bumpers, front or rear, on the Champ trucks - from the factory they were white in the front and I believe silver for the rear. This is not to say that dealers did not take bumpers, send them out to have the plated and mounted on a vehicle.

    When you get the opportunity, make sure you enter your information in the '61 Champ forum registry and congrats on finding a vehicle that was sold off so many years back.

    http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...forum-registry
    Last edited by 62champ; 01-28-2018, 07:06 PM.

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  • Randy Lorenz
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    Hi Bob, Thanks for the reply. Skip stated the same info as you and I responded to his post.

    Cheers
    Randy

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  • Randy Lorenz
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    Hi Skip, Thanks for the response. The tag on the passenger side cowl says 6E-T6 so that would make it the deluxe model. So now I am reconsidering my thoughts that the grill was painted.
    I knew that some of this could wind up being an either/or situation so I think that I will go with the following unless something comes up on the production order.

    Chrome grill, chrome front signals, chrome outside mirrors, chrome front and rear bumper, black rear tail light brackets.

    I don't think I could be proven wrong on any of the above choices (unless the production order dictates otherwise) could I?

    Thanks
    Randy

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  • Skip Lackie
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    I do not have access to my parts book or truck data book right now, but will try to answer your questions from memory. Will be glad to be corrected if I am wrong. Can check my facts later in the week.

    Champs were available in both standard (T4) and deluxe (T6) trim. The code is stamped on a plate on the passenger side cowl. The T6 trucks came with more shiny trim, including chrome grille, directional signals, mirrors, and other stuff. As I recall (could be wrong), chrome bumper(s) were not automatically included with the deluxe package, but could be ordered separately. And all of the T6 bits could be ordered separately for a T4 truck. Dealers routinely added this stuff at the request of owners or to improve the chances of selling a plain-jane truck.

    You are correct -- the fender-mounted mirror is not correct. Those that SI sells for trucks are correct, and were originally available in both white and chrome.

    The tail lamp brackets were originally painted black. I have seen some painted white, but doubt it they came that way.

    Studebaker included somewhat different items in the T6 package in different years, so don't be surprised if the above was not exactly true for your year truck.

    Edit: Agree with Bob's post above. We both typed ours at the same time, but he beat me to the punch.

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  • rbisacca
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    Randy,
    Is your truck a T4 standard or T6 deluxe? The chrome fender mouldings (spell check wants me to use moldings but Studebaker used mouldings) indicate it is a T6. Therefore, it would have had a chrome grille and chrome signal lamps. The mirrors were accessories so could have been either chrome or paint. I believe the tail light brackets were always black. I'm not sure but I think the chrome front bumper was an option on both the T6 and T4.
    Hope this helps,
    Bob

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  • Commander Eddie
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    Randy, I responded to your earlier thread with some photos.

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