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  • Transmission: Stude OD trans fit Ford?

    Howdy everyone,

    So I got a 65 Ranchero with the 3 on the tree and a Ford 200 in it. It's my daily and I do a decent amount of highway miles but I don't have overdrive. I have a 61 Lark OHV 6 with a 3speed OD and I was wondering if that trans would bolt right up to the Ranchero's 200? It'd be nice to keep the shifter on the column for stock look and have the nice drive ability of the OD. I'm thinking of buying one of these on Craigslist in my area if this should work.

    Thanks guys!
    Ryan

  • #2
    Not going to happen, the input Shaft and the Gears it meshes with are Studebaker only.
    StudeRich
    Second Generation Stude Driver,
    Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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    • #3
      I think he's talking about using the entire Stude 3 spd OD trans. I'm sure it could be adapted if it doesn't just bolt up, but so could a bunch of newer 5 speeds that you can get parts for, and don't need the electro-mechanical OD unit.
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      • #4
        The T86 overdrive transmission would be a better choice. Definitely stronger, and the case bolt pattern should match the Ford bellhousing (at least it matches some of them). You might have to shorten the inut shaft, and use a Chevy clutch disc. Also, there might be compatiblity issues with the throwout bearing.

        Ford made a 4-speed with 4 th being overdrive; it went inot pickups and vans, IIRC. And some of the Falcon Econoline vans had a column-shift 4-speed, so there's your shifter...
        Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

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        • #5
          Strength is not a consideration. On a good day that Ford 200 will make 120HP in stock trim. I've got one here, that's anything but stock, that would pull the front wheels of the Mustang it was in off the ground but it would rip right through the stock 4 spd, even a stock C4 didn't last long.

          Keep in mind, the Stude 3 spd OD is quite long so you'll have to get "creative" to mount it in the Ford and you'll need a short drive shaft.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by gordr View Post
            The T86 overdrive transmission would be a better choice. Definitely stronger, and the case bolt pattern should match the Ford bellhousing (at least it matches some of them). You might have to shorten the inut shaft, and use a Chevy clutch disc. Also, there might be compatiblity issues with the throwout bearing.

            Ford made a 4-speed with 4 th being overdrive; it went inot pickups and vans, IIRC. And some of the Falcon Econoline vans had a column-shift 4-speed, so there's your shifter...
            Agree with Gord. Stay with Ford. Something to determine is which bolt pattern your six has. Ford changed in mid-'65. The earlier had the same as most '57-'66 Studes used. The later versions had a wider bolt pattern. Some of the later Ford trannys had dual bolt patterns; some had only the later pattern. The input bearing retainer also changed diameter at the same time. There are also big block and small block trannys; counterintuitively, the big block has a shorter input shaft.

            jack vines
            PackardV8

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            • #7
              There are quite a few folks putting T5 in the Falcon/Ranchero behind the 200 and getting really good MPG with it...I looked into this when I was looking for a new daily driver a few years back focusing on MPG.
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              • #8
                I'm looking into the t5 actually. Modern Driveline has an entire kit set up for the 65 Falcon L6. I was just wondering if it'd be possible since I can get the stude trans for less than $200 and the t5 setup is almost $3000.

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                • #9
                  Dude that's sick with your 200. I got another 200 On a stand and I'm thinking of hopping it up. What would you think would be better, 3x1 Holley 1904's or dual weber 32/36's? I'll probably get a 250 head but I'd like to get one of those crossflow Australian ones with the removeable intake.

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                  • #10
                    The prob with any floor trans setup for anything other than a falcon goes right through the bench. A stock mustang 3spd floor shift goes into the bench.
                    I didn't realize they made a 4 speed column, but then I'd have to re engineer my steering column to work it.
                    I'm looking into a t5 from Modern Driveline actually that is almost bolt up to it. I get to keep my bell housing and all, only prob is for the whole falcon t5 kit it's almost $3000

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                    • #11
                      I'm looking into a t5 from Modern Driveline actually that is almost bolt up to it. I get to keep my bell housing and all, only prob is for the whole falcon t5 kit it's almost $3000
                      That's a lot for convenience. There's nothing in that kit you couldn't find and fab yourself if you make the effort.

                      Getting way OT, as is standard operating procedure here:

                      Originally posted by StarDiero75 View Post
                      Dude that's sick with your 200. I got another 200 On a stand and I'm thinking of hopping it up. What would you think would be better, 3x1 Holley 1904's or dual weber 32/36's? I'll probably get a 250 head but I'd like to get one of those crossflow Australian ones with the removeable intake.
                      Try to find an old Hot Rod Engine Annual, somewhere around #4 or #5. There was a comprehensive article by Ak Miller showing how to hop up the little six and how to make side-draft adapters. IIRC, the SUs off Brit cars were the most cost-effective horsepower.

                      Go to fordsix.com

                      also good info here https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-crazy.306452/

                      jack vines
                      Last edited by PackardV8; 10-03-2017, 02:44 PM.
                      PackardV8

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PackardV8 View Post
                        That's a lot for convenience. There's nothing in that kit you couldn't find and fab yourself if you make the effort.

                        Getting way OT, as is standard operating procedure here:



                        Try to find an old Hot Rod Engine Annual, somewhere around #4 or #5. There was a comprehensive article by Ak Miller showing how to hop up the little six and how to make side-draft adapters. IIRC, the SUs off Brit cars were the most cost-effective horsepower.

                        Go to fordsix.com

                        also good info here https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-crazy.306452/

                        jack vines
                        Neat, will do man. I've seen those side draft webers on the 6 and they look mean, but expensive as heck. Haha.

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                        • #13
                          That was the 240 in. six that Ak Miller built up, used chev. pistons. Luck Doofus

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by StarDiero75 View Post
                            Dude that's sick with your 200. I got another 200 On a stand and I'm thinking of hopping it up. What would you think would be better, 3x1 Holley 1904's or dual weber 32/36's? I'll probably get a 250 head but I'd like to get one of those crossflow Australian ones with the removeable intake.
                            Yea, the australians have all the good stuff for that engine. If you can get a cross flow head go for it, get me one too. The weber 32/36 didn't exist when I built mine. Three weber side drafts would be great on a cross flow. I had 3 autolite 1100's for a while, but changed to the Holley's, very simple to fit, but keep in mind those carbs come in several venturi sizes. I'm using a milled 170 head which has a smaller chamber to begin with so the compression is pretty high. It has a Clifford Research cam, don't remember the specs, but it will not run on one carb or with the three working progessive it needs all three. Needless to say, fuel economy was never a consideration; it's not good.

                            I like the SU carbs but never considered trying them on the Ford. I have used them on some 2 and 4 cylinder motorcycles and a VW flat 4 though.

                            Originally posted by doofus View Post
                            That was the 240 in. six that Ak Miller built up, used chev. pistons. Luck Doofus
                            True, the 240/300 is an entirely different animal than the 144/170/200/250.
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                            • #15
                              why not just change the rear gear ratio?

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