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  • #46


    Can I have this one please? [][][]

    ChopStu
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    • #47
      I loved the original and don't mind the new ones...but...
      I'm not a huge fan of the chopped bad-boy P-Diddy meets Jesse James "gangsta" look about it.

      For my money I'd rather have a Mustang convertible (or Shelby..if you consider the extra dealer profit as discussed earlier).

      The things are never going to be a high dollar collectible...collectible sure...but you'll never see a dime of the [u]extra</u> bucks you pay the dealer.

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      • #48
        ChopStu - That looks like it started out as a Plymouth, not a Dodge Challenger (thread topic).

        Gary L.
        Wappinger, NY

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        Gary L.
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        • #49
          quote:Originally posted by studegary

          ChopStu - That looks like it started out as a Plymouth, not a Dodge Challenger (thread topic).

          Gary L.
          Wappinger, NY
          While the photo I posted is of a Cuda, I find many similarities to the new Challenger especally the lines near of the door and windows,
          I will do my best to keep strictly to the thread topics from now on sorry.

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          • #50
            Here's what Jay Leno's take on the new vs. the old Challenger:

            http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/...tml?vid=263733

            Joe Roberts
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            • #51
              Nice clip, Joe. Thanks. BP
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              • #52
                quote:Originally posted by 4961Studebaker

                quote:Originally posted by studegary

                ChopStu - That looks like it started out as a Plymouth, not a Dodge Challenger (thread topic).

                Gary L.
                Wappinger, NY
                While the photo I posted is of a Cuda, I find many similarities to the new Challenger especally the lines near of the door and windows,
                I will do my best to keep strictly to the thread topics from now on sorry.

                ChopStu
                Sorry! You don't know me, so I shouldn't have made that statement that could be taken wrong in print. Of course, the basic body shells of the Plymouth and Dodge versions were the same. I welcome all of your comments.

                Gary L.
                Wappinger, NY

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                • #53
                  My heart skips a beat when I see a Challenger. Legendary Chrysler designer Tom Gale's son was in charge of the project. He did Chrysler Heritage and his Dad's legacy right with the design. Hat's off on the looks.

                  Now to market realities. This car doesn't stand a chance. It's not a competitor in it's class. Mustang and the New Camaro are going to eat it's lunch. The first year run of 6400 will have a buyer for every one. But it's staying power will be doubtful, and the glory will be forgotten when Camaro hits the street.

                  This car is like "Vanishing Point" meets William Conrad's "Cannon". Not only is it overweight, but it's chassis is more like a Lincoln Continental than a Challenger. That alone would kill it. But the V6 base model price disadvantage will bury it.

                  Comparing it to a final Studebaker, it is most like the Brooks Stevens 1964 Daytona. Those great looks didn't bring many buyers, either.

                  The rights to build Challenger could be thrown in the deal to the Viper buyer. Just like the Studebaker Truck rights were included in the Altman deal for the Avanti. The Challenger would stand a better chance of being built by a Viper buyer, though.




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                  • #54
                    Just heard on TV that Chrysler sales are down 34% from last year...and last year was a bad year. Will the fear of orphanhood kill Challenger sales...or the high price in a recession year?

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                    • #55
                      quote:Originally posted by studegary

                      Of course, the basic body shells of the Plymouth and Dodge versions were the same. I welcome all of your comments.
                      The shells were not the same. Aside of the trimmings such as quarter panels, tail panels, etc., the Challenger shell was two inches longer than the Barracuda. This can be seen in the design of the quarter windows. The Challenger was a bigger car much like the Cougar being bigger than the Mustang.

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                      • #56
                        quote:Originally posted by Swifster

                        quote:Originally posted by studegary

                        Of course, the basic body shells of the Plymouth and Dodge versions were the same. I welcome all of your comments.
                        The shells were not the same. Aside of the trimmings such as quarter panels, tail panels, etc., the Challenger shell was two inches longer than the Barracuda. This can be seen in the design of the quarter windows. The Challenger was a bigger car much like the Cougar being bigger than the Mustang.

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                        Tom - Mulberry, FL
                        I know that a Challenger and a Cougar are longer than a Barracuda and a Mustang, but I thought that the difference was in the nose (and possibly tail/bumper), not the underlying main body shell/structure.
                        I don't have anyplace to look this up. I am just going from memory from when they were new, so you may be correct. A different quarter window does not define a different body shell structure. Look at the early '70s Plymouth and Dodge intermediates as an example.

                        Gary L.
                        Wappinger, NY

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                        • #57
                          I agree with Studegary...

                          The cars are known as the Chrysler "E Body"...suggesting they're on the same chassis & share a basic body shell.
                          Now one may indeed be longer, but I'd guess (I have a book at home to look it up to be sure) they had the same wheelbase.
                          Any extra length of one over the other would have been in front/rear facias.

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