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  • WA State to go E10

    I didn't even know this until I opened my Pettit Oil (CFN) bill. There was a notice inside that says WA has mandated 2% of all gas sales to be Ethanol Blend, forcing all suppliers to convert to E10.


    Dwain G.

  • #2
    Sorry to hear that. But get ready- this is only the beginning of this insanity. We're already seeing the effects of this on everything else.

    We may be in for some really tough times before the powers-that-be get realistic about it.

    God Bless us all.



    Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
    Parish, central NY 13131

    "Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

    "With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that happiness is a thing called Larking!"



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    • #3
      You think that all of this corn that is being used to make gasoline, is the reason there is a food shortage wordwide? What a mess.

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      • #4
        our senator from Iowa says only 2 to 3 percent of the corn grown in our state go to the making ethnol, if so why is corn prices at 5.72 per bu. g.l.mc vey

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        • #5
          This is a VERY complex subject...but like most "hot button" topics, folks make up their minds if they are for or against ethanol based on a sliver of the information that they can "hang their hat on".

          Here's some pro ethanol propaganda...

          http://www.iowacorn.org/ethanol/ethanol_3a.html

          IMHO doing SOMETHING (anything almost) about our dependance on oil is not insanity. It is certainly not the ultimate answer, but is at least a step.

          Also, IMHO, $4/gallon gas is not the tipping point for action. Probably $10/gallon will get things moving and I'll guess that is closer than we think. 8 years ago, gas was $1.40/gallon. Oil is projected (maybe a self fulfilling prophecy) to reach $200/barrel perhaps this year (close to twice the current price).

          Keeping our heads in the sand..."wishing" for the good old days...blaming your favorite scape goat, etc. won't solve this problem. It's big, it's complex.

          BTW, wheat up here in Eastern Washington is about 3X it's traditional price per bushel. No Ethanol is made from wheat to my knowledge. It's fertilizer (made from oil) tractor fuel, and a big increase in world wide demand for grains as third world countries become wealthier. Biofuels most likely play a part, however.


          Dick Steinkamp
          Bellingham, WA

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          • #6
            There are a number of US Senators who are seeking a eprieve from the EPA's mandates on using Ethanol fuels due to the effects its production has on food prices.

            Good or Bad, who knows?

            Joe Roberts
            '61 R1 Champ
            '65 Cruiser
            Editor of "The Down Easterner"
            Eastern North Carolina Chapter
            Joe Roberts
            '61 R1 Champ
            '65 Cruiser
            Eastern North Carolina Chapter

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            • #7
              As far as the cars are concerned E10 is no big deal. We've had it Minnesota for a LONG time. E20 is next and there is a fuel specialist in the state who I corresponded with and he said even that will not be a problem for old cars (has has an old Mustang).

              Of course it may not be good for rubber parts, but once they're replaced it's no big deal.

              I am not qualified to talk about the politico-economic issues and hear lots of scaremongering on both sides. There are more important things to get upset about in my opinion, like why there's free speech, but not if you try to use it by helping someone with a legal issue. Since when are we supposed to have a license to practice free speech? I'd like to hear a constitutional lawyer argue that one.
              "Madness...is the exception in individuals, but the rule in groups" - Nietzsche.

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              • #8
                quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp



                IMHO doing SOMETHING (anything almost) about our dependance on oil is not insanity. It is certainly not the ultimate answer, but is at least a step.
                I agree that we have to keep working on alternate fuel types. There are lots of emerging technologies that can provide answers someday. Where we've veered off onto the wrong course is trying to force these new technologies onto the public before they're viable! Ethanol may be an answer someday, or it may not; but to subsidize the cost and still have not be cost-effective, and unhealthy for older cars, is insane! Same with hybrids- there's pressure to force the public to buy them even though they don't (yet) come near to making sense financially...

                The answer is not to jump blindly into still unproven technologies hoping they can carry the load; instead, work full-speed-ahead on them, while at the same time developing and making use of our own oil sources! This country runs on oil, and will for quite some time. Until replacements are available, our focus needs to be on utilizing the resources we already have. The free market will make alternatives viable and available- when they're ready.



                Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
                Parish, central NY 13131

                "Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

                "With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that happiness is a thing called Larking!"



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                • #9
                  I read somewhere, and not on a pro-coal site, that we have an unlimited supply of coal and that we have the technology to turn it into fuel.

                  Why is it that we are so bent against something that we have, and have more than anyone else.

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                  • #10
                    The problem I have with people who bash ethanol of the corn variety is that they don't accept the fact (and, having grown up in a farm family, I know this to be true) that we, as a people, could never find a use for all of the corn produced in America already. Now, have farmers gone wild and produced even more than is necessary? I believe the answer is yes. As with oil, however, the price of corn is no longer driven simply by supply and demand, but by speculation. This is a major problem, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.

                    I have personally used E85 in my flex-fuel Dodge Grand Caravan and have been very pleased with the results. Mileage is somewhat less, but not to the extent that I had been told to expect. Maybe 2 to 3 miles per gallon less. And to know I was using far less foreign oil, that was a good feeling. Maybe that was just the smell of the exhaust ... it does have a touch of the aroma of a whiskey still about it ... [)]

                    To answer your question, Bondo, yes, the technology is there to turn coal into fuel. Here in Kentucky, Peabody Energy, which is one of the country's major coal companies, intends to build a plant that would do just that. However, when we got a new governor late last year, priorities got changed. So when that will happen is up in the air.

                    Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

                    KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!
                    Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

                    KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

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                    • #11
                      The truth is guys, is that there is NO substitute for oil at this point. There is also NO shortage of oil. There's enough oil right here in Utah in oil shale to make the Saudis look like pikers. The price of oil is being driven by speculators and will sooner or later, hopefully sooner, return to some form of sanity. The main thing we need to do is get the politicians out of the market.The tree huggers will be the death of us. IMHO. By the way , almost every day I see another reason why I'm glad I left Washington. This is just one more.

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                      • #12
                        quote:
                        I read somewhere, and not on a pro-coal site, that we have an unlimited supply of coal and that we have the technology to turn it into fuel.

                        Why is it that we are so bent against something that we have, and have more than anyone else.
                        To answer Bondo's question as well, the southern half of Illinois is one big coal bed. But one of the big problems Illinois has(and I know jnewkirk has heard of it too [)]), is sulfer content. Illinois's coal has got too much of it, which makes for a great ingredient for acid rain. Up here in Illinois, as much as we'd like to burn it, the sulfur content kinda keeps us from fully implementing it.

                        Now the E10 we've been using it for ages, and its everyyyywherree. As far as things like dissolving gaskets, I haven't had any problems since getting the Lark. Course if we're gonna bash E85 we could go to the other Midwestern commodity: switchgrass. But I don't people will like it as much as corn alcohol [)].....

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                        • #13
                          Our coal is high in sulfur here in Kentucky as well. My understanding is that the coal companies are working on ways to eliminate that problem. I'm no expert, so don't ask me how. But if the scientists in their employ say it can be done (and they have, on the local news, in fact), then I have a feeling it can be.

                          I'd be willing to try E85 made from switchgrass, trash, or whatever they can make it out of. I don't care what it's made of, as long as I can afford it and it works. :-)

                          Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

                          KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!
                          Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

                          KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

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                          • #14
                            I have also seen a report about how it is possible to make real oil. There is also a way to make gasoline from carbon dioxide. I posted something about this many weeks ago. I think it was in the main Studebaker forum.
                            "Madness...is the exception in individuals, but the rule in groups" - Nietzsche.

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