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    I have been seeing several threads relative to wanting information on cheaper parts and parts from the big chains that are incorrectly marked. We all have some CASO in us.

    Our Studebaker vendors have what you need! You might think the price is too high but you also should know what they do for us. They have the parts made but in order to do so they have to have them reproduced in large quantities. A vendor will have say wheel cylinders reproduced by Wagner but will have to lay out money for a large quantity like 1000 of them and then have them sit on the shelves until the other vendors and him sell them all. That is a lot of money to have sitting on the shelf! Would you invest $50,000-$75,000 to have say Avanti rear wheel cylinders produced?? And then not get your investment back for 7 or so years???

    And many do not know that a lot of vendors are now working with reduced margins in order to keep the prices where they are, ie they are no longer making 100% profits on parts as they did in the past.

    If we do not support our vendors then I would assume we would not see as many reproduced parts. If no one reproduced say Avanti rear wheel cylinders then when you really needed a pair you would probably pay $300 a pair or more for NOS ones to get that car back on the road.

    When I am buying a reproduced part and think "man this is costly" I also think "but part of this money is going to have more parts reproduced" and then the pain is eased a bit.

    Parts for other marques are often not as readily available and if they are, they are a lot more costly.

    We are very fortunate to have the vendors we have whom help keep our Studebakers on the road.
    Milt

    1947 Champion (owned since 1967)
    1961 Hawk 4-speed
    1967 Avanti
    1961 Lark 2 door
    1988 Avanti Convertible

    Member of SDC since 1973

  • #2
    Well said. I buy almost no parts from the local chain outlets. We have quality vendors who can supply the correct part almost over night in most cases and at a price that isn't really that much different from the local chain store. I appreciate the ease with which we are able to locate parts because of these vendors hard work and willingness to invest in making the parts available.

    Nick

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    • #3
      I agree, and will continue to support our honest, hard working vendors, and be thankful. We are truly blessed to have them. However, for the few "jackasses among the thoroughbreds", I will avoid them like the plague, and do my duty to spread the word; word of mouth is best advertisement, especially in smaller communities, such as ours. Sadly, this forum has rules written for protect the thoroughbreds, which also shield the jackasses, so discretion must be used in flushing them out.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by unclemiltie View Post
        I have been seeing several threads relative to wanting information on cheaper parts and parts from the big chains that are incorrectly marked. We all have some CASO in us.

        Our Studebaker vendors have what you need! You might think the price is too high but you also should know what they do for us. They have the parts made but in order to do so they have to have them reproduced in large quantities. A vendor will have say wheel cylinders reproduced by Wagner but will have to lay out money for a large quantity like 1000 of them and then have them sit on the shelves until the other vendors and him sell them all. That is a lot of money to have sitting on the shelf! Would you invest $50,000-$75,000 to have say Avanti rear wheel cylinders produced?? And then not get your investment back for 7 or so years???

        And many do not know that a lot of vendors are now working with reduced margins in order to keep the prices where they are, ie they are no longer making 100% profits on parts as they did in the past.

        If we do not support our vendors then I would assume we would not see as many reproduced parts. If no one reproduced say Avanti rear wheel cylinders then when you really needed a pair you would probably pay $300 a pair or more for NOS ones to get that car back on the road.

        When I am buying a reproduced part and think "man this is costly" I also think "but part of this money is going to have more parts reproduced" and then the pain is eased a bit.

        Parts for other marques are often not as readily available and if they are, they are a lot more costly.

        We are very fortunate to have the vendors we have whom help keep our Studebakers on the road.
        Milt, well said and as most of you know I am on my way out of the vending Studebaker parts. My part was dealing with used parts and keeping them at prices most Studebaker people could live it and in a few cases I even gave away the part to really help that person once I even delivered some fenders for free across the country and that was after I gave the person the fenders for free. right now I am working at getting out from under a $2100.00 a month rent bill and to do so the parts need to go and go asap, I have had a few requests and orders and am planning the to S/B in may already have my room secured and setting the sale money a side for the trip so I will have it in May even at that I need to set a side about $1200.00 just to pay people to come in and take care of my H/C wife while I am gone for a least 9 days. Since I have taken on trying to move as much large items this way from California to S/B I can not wait until the last minute to organize what will be going. Many of my friends and family after hearing what I am planning are asking why do you want to keep paying $2100.00 a month for the next 5 months just to maybe sell $4000.00-$5000.00 worth to cover the trip cost and still need to work your butt off doing so and then in the last month send what is left to scrap or dumps? good question and the answer is I guess it is in my blood not to let as much of the parts get scrapped but into peoples hands that can use them. Something that burns my butt is the few that want to beat the price down even below give away prices and free delivery across the country for large items, Boy I hate taking good parts to the scrapper but that is what is happening every other day now, 2 days ago it was the 64 cruiser body today a 51 2 door sedan. The really smart people are the ones buying and helping, a near complete 63 GT $1000.00 going to Indiana, 55 hardtop rust free rebuilt engine $2500.00 to Minnesota, 62 Daytona $2500.00 New Zealand, 63 Avanti super price New Zealand, maybe my custom 62 gt with a 350 HP 327 and 4 speed and 373 tt rear end $2500 New Zealand, I still have the 64 wagon $3000.00 and 62 GT 289 4 speed good driver $6000.00, thanks Milt for starting the thread....Bob
        Candbstudebakers
        Castro Valley,
        California


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        • #5
          Originally posted by JoeHall View Post
          I agree, and will continue to support our honest, hard working vendors, and be thankful. We are truly blessed to have them. However, for the few "jackasses among the thoroughbreds", I will avoid them like the plague, and do my duty to spread the word; word of mouth is best advertisement, especially in smaller communities, such as ours. Sadly, this forum has rules written for protect the thoroughbreds, which also shield the jackasses, so discretion must be used in flushing them out.
          Very well put Joe, I know of one that has been scamming people out of the country for big bucks , getting the money plus shipping and never sending, the powers to be at the top of the club know who this is but nothing has been done to at the least let the members know who not to deal with in the future, and yes there is no way we can do that here on the forum, and that's to bad.
          Candbstudebakers
          Castro Valley,
          California


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          • #6
            I don't even bother going to FLAPS any more.....I can order all the parts I need with a phone call to one of several SDC friendly vendors!!!!

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            • #7
              This question is directed to the officers of SDC. IF, and IF "the powers to be at the top of the club know who this is and nothing has been done to at the least let the members know who not to deal with in the future", is it not your moral responsibility to advise, through Turning Wheels, the situation at hand? How can you sleep at night knowing a potential volatile situation that will affect members adversely? stupak

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              • #8
                Originally posted by stupak View Post
                This question is directed to the officers of SDC. IF, and IF "the powers to be at the top of the club know who this is and nothing has been done to at the least let the members know who not to deal with in the future", is it not your moral responsibility to advise, through Turning Wheels, the situation at hand? How can you sleep at night knowing a potential volatile situation that will affect members adversely? stupak
                Skip Lackie

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                • #9
                  I am not an officer either.

                  Skip has said it much better than I could.

                  SDC does have an arbitration process in place but it is somewhat limited on what it can do. The officers cannot do more than is defined by the process as defined.

                  While we could request the board to define a process with more teeth in it, as we are fortunate and have limited issues, I personally would rather see the board address other issues that I consider more pressing.

                  If there is an issue with a SDC vendor you should contact Bob Halgren, whom is the current SDC vending arbitrator.

                  It is always best to contact Bob prior to posting any public comments about a vendor.
                  Milt

                  1947 Champion (owned since 1967)
                  1961 Hawk 4-speed
                  1967 Avanti
                  1961 Lark 2 door
                  1988 Avanti Convertible

                  Member of SDC since 1973

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                  • #10
                    Well stated in Post #8, Skip; thanks. BP
                    We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

                    Ayn Rand:
                    "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."

                    G. K. Chesterton: This triangle of truisms, of father, mother, and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilizations which disregard it.

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                    • #11
                      Bob does know about it and Carl also had known along with others higher than myself, it was brought to my attention by some of my buyers in other country's and they didn't know what to do except stop buying form the states because they were so far away and could do nothing about this when it happens, even some in the states were burned buy this person one way or another, I was also caught in the middle of one of the transactions so this is not just guessing and in most cases had nothing to do with condition of received part is was just plane and simple items never sent after being paid for, that person is here on the forum also. I think that it is the clubs duties to make this information known to its members and not mine, what would happen if a member were to sue the club because they knew this has happened? Some of the other people that have been hurt with this should be the ones speaking up and the fact that I was put in the middle of one I fell I have the right to say something.
                      Candbstudebakers
                      Castro Valley,
                      California


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                      • #12
                        I believe that this forum SHOULD allow those that are BUYING AND SELLING provide factual sides of their stories and leave it to me, the consumer, to read through all of the PUBLIC information about the given buyers or sellers in order to make my OWN INFORMED decision about whether or not to order from a given vendor. This also means that those posting should ALSO give their KUDOS when due.

                        Doing it the way it is currently, then if I order from a vendor and DON'T get the service or goods I expect, then can I sue SDC because they should have told me I may be up against a poor vendor? I'm sorry, but that's not gonna happen because most typically, the value of my transaction will be far less than the cost to involve attorneys and the like to try to recover my money.

                        Again, I follow another forum that allows buyers (and sellers) to call out others on their site. The site does NOT claim responsibility for EITHER side of the transaction, it just allows a place for the information to be gathered. Do a Google search for leather seat covers for a 1996 Toyota Land Cruiser and you will encounter a site (IH8MUD.com) dealing with a particular vendor over many years that has provided a great product, but you never knew when he was going to flake out and disappear for months at a time until another member literally drove to his house to see if he was still alive. That has allowed me to look at how I wanted to move forward with a purchase on the products. Quality was exceptional. Price was competitive. Delivery was questionable. There are some that still order from him. Caveat Emptor....buyer beware. I don;t want someone else sitting in a home office determining if I should or should not be exposed to a given vendor because my definition of risk and needs are different than his.

                        If we allow the venting of buyers and sellers as long as people are not outright calling them names, there CAN be a civil record of transaction events posted on this site. The world has changed, folks. We are in the time when everyone can post what they feel, when they feel, and no-one has to deal with an attorney about it because it's not really necessary. If that's a problem, then charge an entry fee for the members on here, separate from SDC, and advise everyone that joins that the Site has no legal obligations other than to keep pornography off the site. We can have the Vendors buy a advertising slot to be listed and a list of agreements they make to the site and if they get bad review they MUST address them or they will have all rights and exposure revoked.

                        Folks like candbstudebakers can post what they have for sale, people like me can find them easily, and those that don't get what they thought they were supposed to get can use the website to contact the vendor or call them out. The vendor can also call out the buyer if they are not paying or not accepting shipments. This helps the business owner keep a finger on the pulse of their business.

                        I will allow those doing searches for the first time to find vendors of our unique marque. I am "only" 50 and I use the web for finding what I need. I am WANTING to find our sponsored vendors, but I don;t know which ones are still in business and which ones aren't. The speed at which business is made is faster than ever and is completely worldwide.

                        Go to the website listed above for the other marque and look up the vendor sections and where things are called out. You will find that the MEMBERS themselves will flame on the people that are just ranting about how they got wronged by a vendor, but with nothing to PROVE it. it is surprisingly self-policing, with the moderators only overshadowing it to keep it "clean and above the belt".

                        As I was younger, I didn't fully comprehend the value of supporting our vendors in the marque. Now I do. I try to buy from the vendors here whenever possible, unless I need something immediately and do not have time to wait. Usually, they are still competitively priced, I can order it online (or over the phone), and it is delivered directly to my front door. I want to encourage EVERYONE in the marque to order from these vendors in order to PRESERVE our marque, because otherwise, everyone would just haul thier dead cars and parts to recycle and they would be lost forever. Folks like candbstudebakers are able to recover and store a large portion of the parts they come in contact with. I have a couple local sources for cars and parts that I have to go get myself and if I was closer, I would use candb because shipping halfway across the country would be more competitive. Yes, it is still all about the $$$, but having the ability to call out those that do us wrong will allow us to weed out the bad apples and the good ones will do better because we can direct the business their direction and keep the good money flowing.
                        Dis-Use on a Car is Worse Than Mis-Use...
                        1959 Studebaker Lark VIII 2DHTP

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                        • #13
                          I have professional mechanics do most of the work on my vehicles and always ask them to contact me first if they need parts because I can get most of what they need. That allows me to buy from our Studebaker vendors and control the cost of parts because the mechanic cannot mark them up if I supply them. I even have some shops that automatically purchase parts through the vendors I have asked them to use. They are just fine with that and since they know that I know what they paid for the parts there is no mark up. So, I probably actually save money on parts as a result.
                          I am glad this subject came up. It is important.
                          Thanks, Milt.
                          Ed Sallia
                          Dundee, OR

                          Sol Lucet Omnibus

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by candbstudebakers View Post
                            Bob does know about it and Carl also had known along with others higher than myself, it was brought to my attention by some of my buyers in other country's and they didn't know what to do except stop buying form the states because they were so far away and could do nothing about this when it happens, even some in the states were burned buy this person one way or another, I was also caught in the middle of one of the transactions so this is not just guessing and in most cases had nothing to do with condition of received part is was just plane and simple items never sent after being paid for, that person is here on the forum also. I think that it is the clubs duties to make this information known to its members and not mine, what would happen if a member were to sue the club because they knew this has happened? Some of the other people that have been hurt with this should be the ones speaking up and the fact that I was put in the middle of one I fell I have the right to say something.
                            This is an excellent example of what I was talking about. It seems the jackasses have more, "rights" with SDC than the victims and/or potential victims.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BILT4ME View Post
                              I believe that this forum SHOULD allow those that are BUYING AND SELLING provide factual sides of their stories and leave it to me, the consumer, to read through all of the PUBLIC information about the given buyers or sellers in order to make my OWN INFORMED decision about whether or not to order from a given vendor. This also means that those posting should ALSO give their KUDOS when due.

                              Doing it the way it is currently, then if I order from a vendor and DON'T get the service or goods I expect, then can I sue SDC because they should have told me I may be up against a poor vendor? I'm sorry, but that's not gonna happen because most typically, the value of my transaction will be far less than the cost to involve attorneys and the like to try to recover my money.

                              Again, I follow another forum that allows buyers (and sellers) to call out others on their site. The site does NOT claim responsibility for EITHER side of the transaction, it just allows a place for the information to be gathered. Do a Google search for leather seat covers for a 1996 Toyota Land Cruiser and you will encounter a site (IH8MUD.com) dealing with a particular vendor over many years that has provided a great product, but you never knew when he was going to flake out and disappear for months at a time until another member literally drove to his house to see if he was still alive. That has allowed me to look at how I wanted to move forward with a purchase on the products. Quality was exceptional. Price was competitive. Delivery was questionable. There are some that still order from him. Caveat Emptor....buyer beware. I don;t want someone else sitting in a home office determining if I should or should not be exposed to a given vendor because my definition of risk and needs are different than his.

                              If we allow the venting of buyers and sellers as long as people are not outright calling them names, there CAN be a civil record of transaction events posted on this site. The world has changed, folks. We are in the time when everyone can post what they feel, when they feel, and no-one has to deal with an attorney about it because it's not really necessary. If that's a problem, then charge an entry fee for the members on here, separate from SDC, and advise everyone that joins that the Site has no legal obligations other than to keep pornography off the site. We can have the Vendors buy a advertising slot to be listed and a list of agreements they make to the site and if they get bad review they MUST address them or they will have all rights and exposure revoked.

                              Folks like candbstudebakers can post what they have for sale, people like me can find them easily, and those that don't get what they thought they were supposed to get can use the website to contact the vendor or call them out. The vendor can also call out the buyer if they are not paying or not accepting shipments. This helps the business owner keep a finger on the pulse of their business.

                              I will allow those doing searches for the first time to find vendors of our unique marque. I am "only" 50 and I use the web for finding what I need. I am WANTING to find our sponsored vendors, but I don;t know which ones are still in business and which ones aren't. The speed at which business is made is faster than ever and is completely worldwide.

                              Go to the website listed above for the other marque and look up the vendor sections and where things are called out. You will find that the MEMBERS themselves will flame on the people that are just ranting about how they got wronged by a vendor, but with nothing to PROVE it. it is surprisingly self-policing, with the moderators only overshadowing it to keep it "clean and above the belt".

                              As I was younger, I didn't fully comprehend the value of supporting our vendors in the marque. Now I do. I try to buy from the vendors here whenever possible, unless I need something immediately and do not have time to wait. Usually, they are still competitively priced, I can order it online (or over the phone), and it is delivered directly to my front door. I want to encourage EVERYONE in the marque to order from these vendors in order to PRESERVE our marque, because otherwise, everyone would just haul thier dead cars and parts to recycle and they would be lost forever. Folks like candbstudebakers are able to recover and store a large portion of the parts they come in contact with. I have a couple local sources for cars and parts that I have to go get myself and if I was closer, I would use candb because shipping halfway across the country would be more competitive. Yes, it is still all about the $$$, but having the ability to call out those that do us wrong will allow us to weed out the bad apples and the good ones will do better because we can direct the business their direction and keep the good money flowing.
                              Sorry, your response is soooo voluminous, I only scanned it. But I get the drift.

                              Ebay has a feedback system that works well, for both buyer and seller. With SDC rules, buyer feedback is allowed, but only if it is positive; all else will be censured or deleted. Maybe SDC could take some notes from the powers that be, on ebay
                              Last edited by JoeHall; 01-08-2016, 01:09 PM.

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