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  • wlfrench
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    Isn't there some huge junk yard out in Texas, New Mexico or somewhere in the south west that has hundreds of classic cars just baking there in the desert sun.

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  • Dick Steinkamp
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    Originally posted by wittsend View Post
    It shouldn't fall to paying people who know the (hidden) loopholes and the discretion of individual offices.
    I agree. Shouldn't be. But it's the current reality unfortunately.

    Misery is optional.

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  • aarrggh
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    I just watched a metal business load six average looking Larks into a dumpster. They were sitting there about 30 or more years and he was cleaning up his pigsty lot ... Dam , i wish i had my camera with ......

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  • wittsend
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    Pat,
    Let me say I found your experience encouraging. I have all the components to create an electric car. A neighbor had offered me a Fiat X-19 her sister had left on the property 20+ years ago to convert. When I contacted the DMV I was told that the only way I could get title to the car was:
    1. Have the holder of the car push it out on the street.
    2. Contact the city and have the car towed away.
    3. After a period of time the tow company would put a lien against the car for storage fees.
    4a. When the tow company attempted recovery of fees they could either attempt to sell the car - or junk it for junk prices. If they attempted to sell the car then I was one of..., well, "anyone," who could attempt to buy the car.
    4b. The sister who owned the car might have paid the storage fees and retained ownership of the car. (note - the sisters whereabouts were unknown to have her get a duplicate title).

    Also, at the DMV.Org site (California) this is listed under titling / Bill of sale:

    Seller Requirements

    • Completely fill in the title and give it to the buyer, whether or not you complete a bill of sale.
      • A bill of sale is beneficial but not required; .

    Buyer Requirements

    • Don't leave without the title. The title is the proof of ownership, not the bill of sale.



    Thus, my experience. I don't dispute your experience, but I must say it is frustrating that the process seems to be relatively hidden and ambiguous to the interpretation and opinions of each DMV office. As a government agency it should not be that way.

    Dick,
    I've seen cars in the yards here (Calif.) with "No title" written on them. I'd assume that the car must pass some hold and discovery process before being put in the yard. I mean, if they didn't take "no title" cars (by some means) they would be backing up all over the place. How would abandoned car be disposed of???

    In closing, I'm not trying to argue with folks. But what one reads at face value at the (Calif.) DMV and my phone experience with a "no title" situation did not end with results like Pat got. I'm just saying fair should be fair. If the DMV allows titling of untitled cars then the process should be spelled out specifically and every DMV office should be held accountable to follow the rule. It shouldn't fall to paying people who know the (hidden) loopholes and the discretion of individual offices.
    Last edited by wittsend; 11-15-2015, 04:44 PM.

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  • Dick Steinkamp
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    Your question was...

    "So my question is where did they all go ? Did they just all rust away in yards and barns ?"


    I think that was answered quite extensively, but the short answer is "yes".

    It also sounds like it is a moot point. You state...

    "I'm not in a situation financially to continue this project(having a place to live is more important). After losing my job last mouth I realized that there are more important things then this car.

    I'm going to miss the lark but I know what best for the car and I'm not that.... "


    I am sorry about your current financial situation and hope it improves for you shortly. If it does and you then want to get back into the old car hobby, keep in mind that vintage cars and parts are hard to find and can be expensive when you do. Plan accordingly.

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  • Restobaker
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    All of the information here has been great but no one has truly addressed my question...

    I'm aware that the east coast doesn't end at dc but not all of us have the ability to get cars 200-300 miles away from home.

    Not everyone who enjoys this hobby has a lot of money, but here lately the club has made me feel like if you don't have money you don't have any business here....

    Folks here always preach about reaching out to other club members , what happens when your local chapter is barley in existence?

    Sorry for the rant Ive just been hitting walls every time i try make progress with the car.. I take one step forward and get pushed back five more...

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  • Dick Steinkamp
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    Originally posted by wittsend View Post

    One of the issues we deal with here in California is titles for the old cars. Or, better said, the lack of titles....Eventually these cars find their way to the junkyard because the cost and/or trouble of obtaining ownership exceeds the value.
    I don't know of any junkyard, wrecking yard, scraper that will take a vehicle without a title. I am pretty sure it is illegal anywhere. Otherwise cars would be towed off the street straight to a junkyard/scrapper en masse.

    Each state is different, unfortunately, but Pat outlines the best approach. Pay to have an expert who knows the local regulations inside out and has the DMV/DOL network get the title for you. You can certainly do this yourself, but it is liable to be frustrating and unproductive.

    Other options are using a title service like Broadway Title or obtaining a bonded title which most states make available.

    Here in Washington State, we have State run Department of License offices as well as privately run ones. I've found the privately run ones are more helpful (surprisingly enough ). If your state does the same, give that a try.

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  • Pat Dilling
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    There was no lien or bond involved. We completed a "statement of facts" to state that the car had changed hands to the owner I purchased it from more than 15 years before, that the title was lost and that the previous owner to the current one could not be contacted. Also that the car had not been operated during that time. All of this was true. This was done within the last 3 years, so while not current, it is fairly recent. As I said I think the key is knowing what the regulations are, and dealing with DMV staff that are also familiar with them. Just walking into your local DMV may be more problematic if the persons you are dealing with do not do these things on a regular basis. I can only relate my experience and also state that I know quite a few others who have been successful.

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  • wittsend
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    Originally posted by Pat Dilling View Post
    My experience with obtaining titles in California is quite different. I even brought a car in from out of state without a valid title and just a bill of sale. I used a local registration service rather than trying to deal with the DMV myself. The one I use works with DMV on a weekly basis and knows all the rules and even more importantly, the people at DMV who also know the rules. Using their service I had a title delivered to my mail box in less than 3 weeks. Cost was about $150 plus DMV fees and sales tax. Well worth the cost in my opinion.
    Out of state cars are often less of a problem. I have a '61 Corvair station wagon that came from Michigan in the 1970's and was parked before fees were due here. Twenty years later I was told by the DMV that they took the position that the car had just entered the state as this was the first encounter with the California DMV. I was able to register the car with a Michigan Title that had been signed off on years prior.

    That said from everything I have read - and that is recent you can not walk into a California DMV with a Bill of Sale and get a title. What the service might have done was contacted the last previous owner (after they did a search) and gotten them either to have applied for a duplicate title, or signed a Power of Attorney allowing the service agent to do so on their behalf. Or, the service might have run you vehicles through the lien sale process. In either case their experience is likely worth the price paid as the average person would be in a learning process. That said, if any of the cars you bought had been stolen they would have been impounded. The Bill of Sale is only a record of the person (actual or fraudulent ID-ed) you gave the money to.

    So, yes, people have gotten titles with a Bill of Sale only (at the point of sale). But, in those cases there were not the hindrances that can occur. And, so getting a title with a Bill of Sale does not work in every case. I have also heard, but do not know for a fact that in California cars no longer "fall off the books." A lot of the clamping down by the Calif. DMV seems to have been in recent years. So, People who have had past experience may not find it so easy now.

    Update: I did some investigating and apparently you can get a Bonded Title. This link describes the process for California. http://blog.suretysolutionsllc.com/s...f-of-ownership As far as I can tell one still has to show they have exhausted all possible angles to getting a title before they can go this route. So, while the article makes it sound easy (for $100) I would read this (from bullet point #2) three times "What efforts were made to obtain original title, and why you could not obtain it" before committing to the process . I say that because it seems one can't just jump to this last resort process immediately.
    Last edited by wittsend; 11-14-2015, 05:35 PM.

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  • Pat Dilling
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    Originally posted by wittsend View Post
    One of the issues we deal with here in California is titles for the old cars. Or, better said, the lack of titles. Old cars sit, they get 'given' to others and the titles just slip off into some crack in the ground. Unless you can find the succession of ownership, that individual is still alive (or an appointed executor)... and they are willing to sign off there are problems. About the only option is a lien sale that is a multiple month process and does nor guarantee that you will will be the party taking ownership. Craigslist California is full of cars that sit for months (maybe years) because of this. Eventually these cars find their way to the junkyard because the cost and/or trouble of obtaining ownership exceeds the value. I guess it is the proverbial mixed blessing. The opportunity to put the car on the road again is lost, but for others the car becomes "available parts."
    My experience with obtaining titles in California is quite different. I even brought a car in from out of state without a valid title and just a bill of sale. I used a local registration service rather than trying to deal with the DMV myself. The one I use works with DMV on a weekly basis and knows all the rules and even more importantly, the people at DMV who also know the rules. Using their service I had a title delivered to my mail box in less than 3 weeks. Cost was about $150 plus DMV fees and sales tax. Well worth the cost in my opinion.

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  • rodnutrandy
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    My father bought a new 64 Daytona 4 door to use on his rural route as a mail carrier. 1st new car he ever bought, Only kept it a year and traded it back to dealer for a 65 Fury III. I never asked why ,but figure it was hearing Studebaker was going out and him worried about finding parts down the road, kind of funny since parts are still being bought 50 years later!

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  • JRoberts
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    Paul is correct we in the southeast are on the east coast. There are always a few parts cars on local craigslists around North Carolina. A few days ago there was even a 2R available on the Monroe, NC Craigslist for free. Now for good but inexpensive examples is another thing. I have been looking for dealerships in eastern North Carolina and find there were very few. Yes, if we go back to the 1920's there are a surprising number in small towns and big cities, but not like I have heard about in other parts of the country. I just do not think Studebakers were all that popular in the southeast and thus nowadays it is difficult to find a large number of cheap parts cars and such. Still that does not mean there are some around.

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  • wittsend
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    I have frequented the self serve junkyards monthly most of my driving life. In the late 80's 1960's era cars were in plenitude. From 1990-1992 I was occupied with building my house and did not make my frequent visits. Two years later when I returned I was shock that the 40% inventory of 1960's cars had dropped to about 5%! Now any old car is far less than 1% of the inventory. Even the 1980's cars are getting hard to find. But, we need to remember most 80's cars are up to 35 years old now.
    In 2008 I began building my Turbo Pinto with parts sourced from the 80's T-Bird Turbo Coupes. Initially it seemed like every time I went to the yards there were at least five of them. Then within a 6 month period they seemed to dry up over night. I think I've found one or two in the past four years or so. Thus, trying to find a yard with 1960's and older Studebaker parts is going to be pretty slim.

    One of the issues we deal with here in California is titles for the old cars. Or, better said, the lack of titles. Old cars sit, they get 'given' to others and the titles just slip off into some crack in the ground. Unless you can find the succession of ownership, that individual is still alive (or an appointed executor)... and they are willing to sign off there are problems. About the only option is a lien sale that is a multiple month process and does nor guarantee that you will will be the party taking ownership. Craigslist California is full of cars that sit for months (maybe years) because of this. Eventually these cars find their way to the junkyard because the cost and/or trouble of obtaining ownership exceeds the value. I guess it is the proverbial mixed blessing. The opportunity to put the car on the road again is lost, but for others the car becomes "available parts."

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  • Restobaker
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    I decided to post my car for sale here on the forum and just part ways with the old girl. if anyone is interested in a parts car let me know I'm letting her go cheap

    1961 3 speed o/d 259 4 door car .....

    the motor is out of the car

    I have everything but the distributor and the starter ....

    the car has rust that's why I'm selling it as a parts car

    the frame is solid the car has all the glass intact the interior has seen better days


    make me a offer I don't want to see this car go to waste just rotting away in my back yard....

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  • Pat Dilling
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    Probably the ones that rust didn't get, "cash for clunkers" did. For the common person, more motivation to scrap them than keep them.

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