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  • Here's a Probably Dumb Question

    This is something that's been bugging me, so I have to ask:
    What determines the differences in the various Hawk models, i.e, "Silver Hawk", vs. "Golden Hawk", vs. "Power Hawk"? I'm pretty sure that the Sky Hawk is so called because it has a sunrook, right? What about the others, though-what makes a Silver Hawk a Silver Hawk, or a Golden Hawk a Golden Hawk, since it apparently has nothing to do with actual color of the car.

    Same goes for the R-Series trucks-what differentiates a "R5" from an "R10" or a "R15", since looking at them, a pictures anyway, I can't tell one from the other.

    pitbulllady


  • #2
    In 56, the Power, and Flight Hawk's were finless coupes, with a 259 and six in that order. the Sky Hawk was a finless hardtop with a 289, the Golden was a finned HT with a Packard 352. In 57-58 the Silver Hawk's were coupes with a six or V8, the Golden Hawks were HT's with a supercharged 289. The trucks were numbered for both engine size and tonnage. i.e, a 5 was a small six, 1/2 ton, 10 was a 3/4 ton.

    JDP/Maryland
    63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
    spent to date $54,758.75
    64 R2 GT (Sid)
    spent to date $62,439.30
    63 Lark 2 door
    52 Starliner
    51 Commander
    39 Coupe express
    39 Coupe express (rod)

    JDP Maryland

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    • #3
      In 56, the Power, and Flight Hawk's were finless coupes, with a 259 and six in that order. the Sky Hawk was a finless hardtop with a 289, the Golden was a finned HT with a Packard 352. In 57-58 the Silver Hawk's were coupes with a six or V8, the Golden Hawks were HT's with a supercharged 289. The trucks were numbered for both engine size and tonnage. i.e, a 5 was a small six, 1/2 ton, 10 was a 3/4 ton.

      JDP/Maryland
      63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
      spent to date $54,758.75
      64 R2 GT (Sid)
      spent to date $62,439.30
      63 Lark 2 door
      52 Starliner
      51 Commander
      39 Coupe express
      39 Coupe express (rod)

      JDP Maryland

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      • #4
        Sharon, on the Hawks as Mike said, they are basically just NAMES! But there is SOME sense to the naming process. The model name usually indicates a Coupe OR Hardtop AND the size of the ENGINE as well as the year that model was used.

        You really only have 2 body styles of the Hawks: the "C" body coupe and the "K" body Hardtop. very much like the '53-'55 C & K models.

        When I first look at ANY car, any make or year, the VERY FIRST place I look is at the center of the car: the rear of the front door "POST". Does it go all the way to the roof, or is it a Hardtop with no upper "post"? The next thing I look at is the rear quarter window, is it a roll down type?, sealed type?, swing-out style?, is there a rear DOOR? If so what type of windows does it have? All this is to determine the "Body Style" then I can enjoy the rest knowing what I am looking at!

        Don't feel bad if you don't get it all right away, my parents said I was calling out the Make of the cars going by at 4 years old, with amazing accuracy! [:0] AND I was born in Detroit, near the Corporate headquarters for the big 3!

        Now that you can tell a "C" from a "K", lets break them down for you:

        '53-'55 Coupe "C" Champion 6, Commander & '55 President V-8
        '53-'55 Hardtop "K" Champion 6, Commander & '55 President V-8
        '56 Coupe:....Flight Hawk "185" 6 cyl.
        ..................Power Hawk 259 V-8
        '56 Hardtop:..Sky Hawk 289 V-8
        ..................Golden Hawk 352 Packard V-8
        '57 Coupe:....Silver Hawk "185" 6 cyl. or 289 V-8 (exc.Canada & Export)
        '57 Hardtop:..Golden Hawk "289" Supercharged V-8
        '58 Coupe:....Silver Hawk "185" 6 cyl. or 289 V-8 (exc.Canada & Export)
        '58 Hardtop:..Golden Hawk "289" Supercharged V-8
        '58 Hardtop:..Packard Hawk "289" Supercharged V-8
        '59 Coupe:....Silver Hawk "170" 6 cyl. or 259 V-8 (exc.Canada & Export)
        '60 Coupe:....Hawk "170" 6 cyl. or 289 V-8 (exc.Canada & Export)
        '61 Coupe:....Hawk "289" V-8 (exc.Canada & Export)
        '62 Hardtop:..Gran Turismo Hawk 289 V-8 (exc.Canada & Export)
        '63 Hardtop:..Gran Turismo Hawk 289 V-8 + JT R1,R2 Engine Options
        '64 Hardtop:..Gran Turismo Hawk 289 V-8 + JT R1,R2 and R3,R4 304.5 cu.in. Engine Options

        The sun roof models (Skytops) were all Larks and did not happen until 1961-1963

        The Truck models are pretty confusing and lengthy, but basically the number after the M, R, or E is higher for larger engine & weight capacity.

        quote:Originally posted by pitbulllady

        This is something that's been bugging me, so I have to ask:
        What determines the differences in the various Hawk models
        StudeRich
        Studebakers Northwest
        Ferndale, WA
        StudeRich
        Second Generation Stude Driver,
        Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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        • #5
          Sharon, on the Hawks as Mike said, they are basically just NAMES! But there is SOME sense to the naming process. The model name usually indicates a Coupe OR Hardtop AND the size of the ENGINE as well as the year that model was used.

          You really only have 2 body styles of the Hawks: the "C" body coupe and the "K" body Hardtop. very much like the '53-'55 C & K models.

          When I first look at ANY car, any make or year, the VERY FIRST place I look is at the center of the car: the rear of the front door "POST". Does it go all the way to the roof, or is it a Hardtop with no upper "post"? The next thing I look at is the rear quarter window, is it a roll down type?, sealed type?, swing-out style?, is there a rear DOOR? If so what type of windows does it have? All this is to determine the "Body Style" then I can enjoy the rest knowing what I am looking at!

          Don't feel bad if you don't get it all right away, my parents said I was calling out the Make of the cars going by at 4 years old, with amazing accuracy! [:0] AND I was born in Detroit, near the Corporate headquarters for the big 3!

          Now that you can tell a "C" from a "K", lets break them down for you:

          '53-'55 Coupe "C" Champion 6, Commander & '55 President V-8
          '53-'55 Hardtop "K" Champion 6, Commander & '55 President V-8
          '56 Coupe:....Flight Hawk "185" 6 cyl.
          ..................Power Hawk 259 V-8
          '56 Hardtop:..Sky Hawk 289 V-8
          ..................Golden Hawk 352 Packard V-8
          '57 Coupe:....Silver Hawk "185" 6 cyl. or 289 V-8 (exc.Canada & Export)
          '57 Hardtop:..Golden Hawk "289" Supercharged V-8
          '58 Coupe:....Silver Hawk "185" 6 cyl. or 289 V-8 (exc.Canada & Export)
          '58 Hardtop:..Golden Hawk "289" Supercharged V-8
          '58 Hardtop:..Packard Hawk "289" Supercharged V-8
          '59 Coupe:....Silver Hawk "170" 6 cyl. or 259 V-8 (exc.Canada & Export)
          '60 Coupe:....Hawk "170" 6 cyl. or 289 V-8 (exc.Canada & Export)
          '61 Coupe:....Hawk "289" V-8 (exc.Canada & Export)
          '62 Hardtop:..Gran Turismo Hawk 289 V-8 (exc.Canada & Export)
          '63 Hardtop:..Gran Turismo Hawk 289 V-8 + JT R1,R2 Engine Options
          '64 Hardtop:..Gran Turismo Hawk 289 V-8 + JT R1,R2 and R3,R4 304.5 cu.in. Engine Options

          The sun roof models (Skytops) were all Larks and did not happen until 1961-1963

          The Truck models are pretty confusing and lengthy, but basically the number after the M, R, or E is higher for larger engine & weight capacity.

          quote:Originally posted by pitbulllady

          This is something that's been bugging me, so I have to ask:
          What determines the differences in the various Hawk models
          StudeRich
          Studebakers Northwest
          Ferndale, WA
          StudeRich
          Second Generation Stude Driver,
          Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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          • #6
            Nice job, Rich. [^]

            Save a link to this thread. It's gonna come in handy.

            Matthew Burnette
            '59 Scotsman
            '63 Daytona
            Hazlehurst, GA




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            • #7
              Nice job, Rich. [^]

              Save a link to this thread. It's gonna come in handy.

              Matthew Burnette
              '59 Scotsman
              '63 Daytona
              Hazlehurst, GA




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              • #8
                Since Rich posted on the cars, I will give a go on the trucks. Since you specifically inquired on the R series of trucks that were built between 1949-1953 (2R) and 1954 (3R), I will only cover them.

                As JP noted, there were different engine sizes. The small six (typically designated as the Champion engine) was 170 CID. The big six (Commander) was 226 CID at the beginning in 1946 and the displacement upped to 245 CID mid way through the model year. The larger (245 CID) powered trucks received an "A" designation in their model number to differentiate them from the prior, smaller Commander motor. With the introduction of the V-8 models in 1951, the big six was no longer available in passenger cars and only used in trucks.

                R5 1/2 ton truck on a 112" WB w/ Champion engine
                R6 1/2 ton truck on a 112" WB w/ Commander engine
                R10 3/4 ton truck on a 122" WB w/ Champion engine
                R11 3/4 ton truck on a 122" WB w/ Commander engine
                R15 1 ton truck w/ Champion engine
                R16 1 1/2 ton truck w/ Commander engine
                R17 2 ton truck w/ Commander engine

                Hope this helps!

                Gary


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                • #9
                  Since Rich posted on the cars, I will give a go on the trucks. Since you specifically inquired on the R series of trucks that were built between 1949-1953 (2R) and 1954 (3R), I will only cover them.

                  As JP noted, there were different engine sizes. The small six (typically designated as the Champion engine) was 170 CID. The big six (Commander) was 226 CID at the beginning in 1946 and the displacement upped to 245 CID mid way through the model year. The larger (245 CID) powered trucks received an "A" designation in their model number to differentiate them from the prior, smaller Commander motor. With the introduction of the V-8 models in 1951, the big six was no longer available in passenger cars and only used in trucks.

                  R5 1/2 ton truck on a 112" WB w/ Champion engine
                  R6 1/2 ton truck on a 112" WB w/ Commander engine
                  R10 3/4 ton truck on a 122" WB w/ Champion engine
                  R11 3/4 ton truck on a 122" WB w/ Commander engine
                  R15 1 ton truck w/ Champion engine
                  R16 1 1/2 ton truck w/ Commander engine
                  R17 2 ton truck w/ Commander engine

                  Hope this helps!

                  Gary


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                  • #10
                    quote:R5 1/2 ton truck on a 112" WB w/ Champion engine
                    R6 1/2 ton truck on a 112" WB w/ Commander engine
                    R10 3/4 ton truck on a 122" WB w/ Champion engine
                    R11 3/4 ton truck on a 122" WB w/ Commander engine
                    R15 1 ton truck w/ Champion engine
                    R16 1 1/2 ton truck w/ Commander engine
                    R17 2 ton truck w/ Commander engine
                    Gary, were 1 tons not available with the Big Six?

                    Matthew Burnette
                    '59 Scotsman
                    '63 Daytona
                    Hazlehurst, GA




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                    • #11
                      quote:R5 1/2 ton truck on a 112" WB w/ Champion engine
                      R6 1/2 ton truck on a 112" WB w/ Commander engine
                      R10 3/4 ton truck on a 122" WB w/ Champion engine
                      R11 3/4 ton truck on a 122" WB w/ Commander engine
                      R15 1 ton truck w/ Champion engine
                      R16 1 1/2 ton truck w/ Commander engine
                      R17 2 ton truck w/ Commander engine
                      Gary, were 1 tons not available with the Big Six?

                      Matthew Burnette
                      '59 Scotsman
                      '63 Daytona
                      Hazlehurst, GA




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                      • #12
                        quote:Originally posted by mbstude
                        Gary, were 1 tons not available with the Big Six?
                        Not in the 2R series, but they were in the E series and carried the E14 designation up through 1960 when production of that engine ended.


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                        • #13
                          quote:Originally posted by mbstude
                          Gary, were 1 tons not available with the Big Six?
                          Not in the 2R series, but they were in the E series and carried the E14 designation up through 1960 when production of that engine ended.


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                          • #14
                            Thanks Studerich and Guido!! Pitbullady,thanks for asking a 'dumb' question [not dumb at all!] Who wants to do all the Larks and 'Lark Types'??

                            LaSalle,Il
                            61Hawk
                            Oglesby,Il.

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                            • #15
                              Thanks Studerich and Guido!! Pitbullady,thanks for asking a 'dumb' question [not dumb at all!] Who wants to do all the Larks and 'Lark Types'??

                              LaSalle,Il
                              61Hawk
                              Oglesby,Il.

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