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  • NTS37cpexp
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  • rkapteyn
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    Te problem is with finding the rear wheel cylinders.
    195165 is the right rear and I do not think a Ford wheel cylinder has these 1" x 1 1/4" dimensions.
    Even if you use the Ford 1' x 1 1/8" you still have to content with the 90 degree inlet connection.
    How did you resolve this?
    The Ford pistons seem to be the same except you have to machine the slot a little wider.
    An end mill will do it easily , if the piston is propperly clamped to a horizontal mill table.
    Robert Kapteyn



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  • DieselJim
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    Originally posted by NTS37cpexp View Post
    Quality information from your end DieselJim. I have now received the new ones and i am pleased to see them go on so easily. Soon I will be a drivin'. Thank's again for the info I owe you one. I have now come across the machining issue you were referring to but not a problem an easy fix, compared to not being able to find them at all. Lots of luck J.S.
    Glad to have helped you out.

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  • Cowtown Commander
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    Gary - I used the Ford cylinders recently on my 1938 Coupe, I can get some photos as I did a second set for spares. I can e-mail the photos to you but don't know how to post photos. PM your e-mail and I'll send.

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  • garyash
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    Dan Peterson: I don't know where that Wagner-Lockheed FD7256 wheel cylinder is used, but I do have these interchanges:

    Studebaker 515692 = Wagner FD7258
    Studebaker 515693 = Wagner FD7257
    These are right and left front wheel cylinders, respectively on M5 trucks, postwar

    Studebaker 195166 = Wagner FC5984, right rear
    Studebaker 195166 = Wagner FC5983, left rear
    wheel cylinders on M5 trucks, 3A-12A Dictator/Commanders (1936-42), J5-L5 Coupe Express trucks (1937-39),and 2C-8C Presidents (1936-42)

    Can someone post a photo or drawing of how the Ford pistons need to be machined?

    The Ford part numbers for the 1x1-3/8 cylinders are 21A-2061 (right) and 21A-2062 (left) for 1942-48 Fords (front wheels). Many reproduction Ford parts vendors seem to have them at $35-$52.
    So what's the Ford part that replaces the 1" rear wheel cylinders for Studebakers? The Ford 91A-2261 and 91A-2262 for rear wheels are 1x1-1/8" step bore, not 1x1-1/4" as on Studebakers. Are the Ford parts "close enough"?

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  • NTS37cpexp
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    Quality information from your end DieselJim. I have now received the new ones and i am pleased to see them go on so easily. Soon I will be a drivin'. Thank's again for the info I owe you one. I have now come across the machining issue you were referring to but not a problem an easy fix, compared to not being able to find them at all. Lots of luck J.S.

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  • 57pack
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    Originally posted by wolfie View Post
    Correct, not White Castle. Musta been hungry when I posted earlier. Steve
    I'm getting hungry myself, hey, wheel cylinders and hamburgers go together great!

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  • dpson
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    Not sure if anyone is interested but just ran across a NOS wheel cylinder which was with a bunch of Studebaker parts I bought last fall. It's a stepped cylinder with a 1-3/8" and 1" diameter bore. The pistons came out nicely and cylinder walls looks clean. There was no Studebaker part number but the housing says Wagner-Lockheed FD7256.

    The wheel cylinder has been sold, thanks. Click image for larger version

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  • studerex
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    Originally posted by garyash View Post
    Rex, do tell! Fronts, rears, or both? The front ones for the 1937 J5's have different numbers than the ones for 1938 and later. The later front ones and the 1937 and later rear cylinders also fit M5 trucks, so there are many interested people. Just finding new pistons would help a lot of people. Is there an interchange number for the pistons?
    Jerry Kurtz got it right. Also buy the stude rebuild kits to change to the boot with slot.
    Last edited by studerex; 03-24-2015, 05:49 PM.

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  • jerezstude
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    Yes, the 41-48 cyl both front and rear will fit cp exp and are stock items at NAPA, however you must machine the center out of the pistons as they are different. Jerry Kurtz

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  • DieselJim
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    '41 to '48 Ford use the front wheel cylinder. 1 3/8"-1".Been getting from an old Ford parts house in California. I'm in Arizona and info at home. Do a search on the "Studebaker Truck Talk" for wheel cylinders there as I have posted the info there in the past. The last ones were about $45.00 each. Looked up where I got the wheel cylinders. The place is C&G Ford.
    Last edited by DieselJim; 03-24-2015, 03:29 PM. Reason: more info

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  • garyash
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    Rex, do tell! Fronts, rears, or both? The front ones for the 1937 J5's have different numbers than the ones for 1938 and later. The later front ones and the 1937 and later rear cylinders also fit M5 trucks, so there are many interested people. Just finding new pistons would help a lot of people. Is there an interchange number for the pistons?

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  • studerex
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    Originally posted by garyash View Post
    Those aluminum parts are called "pistons". There is a rubber "cup" behind it and a rubber "boot" in front of it. The rubber parts are available as Repair Kit S-376 for the fronts and S-377 for the rears. You'll need 1 kit for each end of the car. I think the kits also include the internal spring. Studebaker International, Studebakerparts.com, and other vendors have the kits for about $16-$18 each. If the pistons dissolved, it is likely that the bores are corroded, too, so you can send them to White Post Restorations for sleeving with stainless steel or brass.

    Pistons will take a little searching. The front cylinders each use one 1-3/8" piston (Studebaker p/n 185468) and one 1" piston (185470). The rears use one 1-1/4" piston (185469) and one 1" piston (185470, same as front). Someone may have an interchange book for Wagner or Bendix brake parts that can help to identify alternate parts. You can start with Then and Now Auto Parts in Weymouth, MA (tel. 781-335-8860) or Northwestern Auto Supply in Michigan (tel 616-241-5611). Also try Nelson Pease in Palmer, MA (tel. 413-283-7620, Mon-Fri 9-5). White Post Restorations may be able to do the entire job for you (tel . 540-837-1140).

    There are no reproduction wheel cylinders available for these trucks.
    Gary, repros are available. Just have to know where to look. Rex

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  • wolfie
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    Originally posted by garyash View Post
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    White Post Restorations may be able to do the entire job for you (tel . 540-837-1140).

    Correct, not White Castle. Musta been hungry when I posted earlier. Steve

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  • DEEPNHOCK
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    A good vendor source for prewar Studebaker parts is Bob Kapteyn....

    http://www.studebakerstore.com/Stude...m/Welcome.html

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