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  • #31
    Originally posted by lschuc View Post
    The last of 9 R3 Avantis, R5643 is on permanent display in the Crawford Auto Aviation Museum in Cleveland, Ohio. It was on loan to the AOAI during their 2012 Avanti 50th anniversary meet in South Bend; returned to the Cleveland museum for a while; and on display last year and early this year at the Studebaker National Museum before it went to the National Mall exhibit this past spring in Washington DC. It is now resting back at the Crawford Auto and Air Museum in Cleveland.
    One note: The original owner, Joe Erdelac, was a Cleveland, Ohio American Motors dealer, not a Studebaker dealer.
    Joe Erdelac was NOT the "original owner". He purchased the car (5643) with 6K miles on it.

    I met Joe many times. My "calling card" was driving up in my 1953 Commander Starliner. This got the salesmen to get Joe out of his office.

    Yes, Joe was an AMC dealer, but I seem to remember that he was previously a Studebaker dealer.

    In the 1970s, he was a very active used Avanti dealer. He asked me to "bird dog" for him. He had a couple of Avantis that he kept for himself, including 5643 and a Sears Allstate cross-country car (also 6K miles; he had it shipped to him from CA). The other Avantis he bought and sold. I remember that there were always several in the shop/storage area.
    Gary L.
    Wappinger, NY

    SDC member since 1968
    Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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    • #32
      Originally, it went to Mississippi IIRC.
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      • #33
        Lew: Thanks for the response. I toured the SNM on 12/14 and wondered if I had somehow missed it. Hope to visit the Crawford Museum one of these days.
        "Growing old is mandatory, but growing up is optional." author unknown

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        • #34
          I just rebuilt a 3808s AFB for 5089 in Collinsville Ill. It is undergoing a full restoration.
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          • #35
            63R-1025 is located in Lyman Maine. It is the factory prototype R3, the Hot Rod Magazine 1st R3 road test car, and per a conversation with Andy Grranetelli a couple of years ago, it was his Avanti when they were in production. Nostalgic Motors has shipped me 17 pages of production line discrepancy reports, the zone delivery report, the factory to dealer invoice, and the factory build sheet. The car was delivered to Paxton products "as is" a couple of weeks after production, and sold by Studebaker to Paxton two years later for $500. For the short time it was in So. Bend, it was used by Sherwood Egbert. Vince Granetelli became the first registered owner in 1965, prior to that it had Ca MFG plates. It then passed to Bill Alderman, and I purchased it in 1969. It lived in the San Francisco Bay Area until 2000 when I hauled it to Maine. It was damaged in an accident before leaving CA, and my son and I are currently restoring it. There are numerous other posts on the AOAI and this web site concerning 1025.
            Last edited by rcrall; 07-02-2015, 07:45 AM. Reason: typo

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            • #36
              Originally posted by swvalcon View Post
              57 hawk. I just hauled that car from Mn to AZ. The car was owned by a Larry Handshoe here in Princeton Mn 2 miles from my home. He had gotten it from his father you had passed away who lived in KY and sold it to a fellow in mesa Az. WE where not sure if it was a real R-3 or a clone. White with a four sp with red intereior. I still have the phone numbers of both and will get in touch with both if this is a real R-3 Keith for sure would like to Know what he has.
              Hey Steve, it's me Keith. I hope you are well.
              The Avanti is NOT, I repeat NOT, a real R3 powered car, at least as far as the heads are concerned. The intake ports on the head have been welded and enlarged to accept what appears to be a real R3 intake manifold. The heads have been stamped with the # 1555479X, and the name 'SUPER MOD". I would be very grateful if anybody knows what shop or individual SUPER MOD might be...
              The block is stamped with "B55", but Mr. Handshoe (senior) could have done that as well. I guess I wont know until I pull the engine apart, which I hope is far into the future.....the car runs very strong as is.
              Anyway, Happy 4th, God Bless America!

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              • #37
                Good to know you are well and enjoying your Avanti Keith. Steve.

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                • #38
                  There was a Studebaker Dealer near Bushnell Nebraska that I met when my 60 Hawk needed work on a trip from the west coast to So. Bend in the 70's. His farm was out in some wheat fields near some ICBM missile silos. B52's flew overhead just feet above the ground doing low-level practice runs.

                  He had a white R3 in his shop/barn. It was shipped to him after the factory closed. He said that it was not even finished, that there were a variety of parts shipped inside it and he had to finish putting it together, but it was drivable so could be loaded and shipped. There are a few serial numbers that were unaccounted for. I have always wondered if there was a 10th production R3 that was never accounted for. I remember he had a 5 speed Champ that I believe had an R1 installed. There was a Packard Hawk outside deteriorating and a number of other older Studebaker's. Guy was old (but i was a teen-ager, old was pretty relative back then). Maybe someone else knows something.

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                  • #39
                    He passed away and everything was sold at auction in the late 90's. Studebaker credit allowed him one car at a time. He also sold Packard, Saab, and Harley Davidson. It was quite an auction with something for everyone. It was at this auction that i met Harold Lemay for the first time.

                    Denny L

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                    • #40
                      I remember the Saab's and the Harley's. He had one of the Saab 2 seat fiberglass cars there. I have wondered for years about that Avanti, and the gap in the serial numbers between end-of-production and a few follow up cars completed following. Was there a white 64 Avanti at the auction?

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                      • #41
                        i was at that auction too and gave up when the parts went so rediculously high. There was an all white 56 Carribean there. A very rusty Speedster, A low mileage Gold 63 Avanti that the front end was all chipped to heck. A set of R3 headers went for 6OO bucks when Stones were availble for about 1/2 at the time.
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                        • #42
                          The only Avanti was the gold one. Fairly low mileage but lots of chips from the gravel roads

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                          • #43
                            The first of the nine (5089) marked as stored in Illinois was sold last year to R.Rapp in Collinsville Illinois and will be in St.Louis fully restored.
                            I owned it since the early eighties and found someone that will do it justice.
                            My son is still mad at me but I felt it should be restored and I am getting old.
                            Robert Kapteyn

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by rcrall View Post
                              I remember the Saab's and the Harley's. He had one of the Saab 2 seat fiberglass cars there. I have wondered for years about that Avanti, and the gap in the serial numbers between end-of-production and a few follow up cars completed following. Was there a white 64 Avanti at the auction?
                              I am not aware of any "...gap in the serial numbers...". The last Studebaker Avanti built was 5643. The six to eight (depending on source) early prototype Avantis that were finished off as 1964s were given Serial Numbers starting with 5644 and sequential after that.
                              Gary L.
                              Wappinger, NY

                              SDC member since 1968
                              Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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                              • #45
                                It is unlikely, but it would be nice if Gary Johnson were to weigh in on this. I doubt that anyone has lived and remembers all things Avanti better then Gary.

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