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  • JDP
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    Here's a example of our hobby's future, a nice, typical e-mail I received just now:


    "Hi there,

    I saw your ad for the Golden Hawk on e-bay and was fascinated to see your story of restoring so many of these wonderful cars. Before he passed, my father and I restored a 1955 President coupe. We towed it out of a junk yard in Boaz, Alabama when I was 13 years old, and he told me "If you want a car when you're 16, there it is. It's up to you to work on it if you want it to be ready." That was the three best years of my life. I will never forget the cold nights or hot days in our garage restoring it from the ground up. When I hit 16 and drove the finished product to high school in 1985, I was suddenly everyone's best friend. Some day, when the finances are right, I'm going to pursue another '55. I'll look you up!

    Anyway, sorry to bore you with my history. I just love Studebaker automobiles, and am thrilled to see you doing what you do. Thanks for keeping them alive.

    Richard xxxxx
    Buford, Georgia"




    JDP/Maryland
    64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
    64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
    63 Lark 2 door
    58 Packard HT
    56 Golden Hawk
    52 Starliner
    51 Commander
    39 Coupe express
    39 Coupe express (rod)

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  • JDP
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    Here's a example of our hobby's future, a nice, typical e-mail I received just now:


    "Hi there,

    I saw your ad for the Golden Hawk on e-bay and was fascinated to see your story of restoring so many of these wonderful cars. Before he passed, my father and I restored a 1955 President coupe. We towed it out of a junk yard in Boaz, Alabama when I was 13 years old, and he told me "If you want a car when you're 16, there it is. It's up to you to work on it if you want it to be ready." That was the three best years of my life. I will never forget the cold nights or hot days in our garage restoring it from the ground up. When I hit 16 and drove the finished product to high school in 1985, I was suddenly everyone's best friend. Some day, when the finances are right, I'm going to pursue another '55. I'll look you up!

    Anyway, sorry to bore you with my history. I just love Studebaker automobiles, and am thrilled to see you doing what you do. Thanks for keeping them alive.

    Richard xxxxx
    Buford, Georgia"




    JDP/Maryland
    64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
    64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
    63 Lark 2 door
    58 Packard HT
    56 Golden Hawk
    52 Starliner
    51 Commander
    39 Coupe express
    39 Coupe express (rod)

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  • Roscomacaw
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    It's a double-edged sword for me. It's nice to see values go up, but it makes me wince every time JDP points out a new "record" for some Stude that we never would've DREAMED would sell for "that much".

    Just the other day I was recalling and lamenting the 60 Lark hardtop - V8 auto, looking like (and running like) a year old car at worst - I turned down for $100 in the mid-70s.[xx(] Non-running Studes would be GIVEN away just to get them out of someone's yard or driveway!

    Of course, you can STILL get into this mania for cheap as it were. Look at that 48 Commander in Detroit that Scott brought to our attention. $2500 bucks and it looks pretty damned decent.

    Miscreant adrift in
    the BerStuda Triangle


    1957 Transtar 1/2ton
    1960 Larkvertible V8
    1958 Provincial wagon
    1953 Commander coupe

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  • Roscomacaw
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    It's a double-edged sword for me. It's nice to see values go up, but it makes me wince every time JDP points out a new "record" for some Stude that we never would've DREAMED would sell for "that much".

    Just the other day I was recalling and lamenting the 60 Lark hardtop - V8 auto, looking like (and running like) a year old car at worst - I turned down for $100 in the mid-70s.[xx(] Non-running Studes would be GIVEN away just to get them out of someone's yard or driveway!

    Of course, you can STILL get into this mania for cheap as it were. Look at that 48 Commander in Detroit that Scott brought to our attention. $2500 bucks and it looks pretty damned decent.

    Miscreant adrift in
    the BerStuda Triangle


    1957 Transtar 1/2ton
    1960 Larkvertible V8
    1958 Provincial wagon
    1953 Commander coupe

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  • JDP
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    I agree that R2 Larks/Hawks are "hot" within our hobby, not so much in the big picture. R2's are the Studebaker Hemi, yet even at 30-50K a copy, they bring a fraction of the other muscle cars prices. I think were getting closer to those values, getting hotter as it were, perhaps not yet hot. I think we need to be careful about getting what we ask for. If the word gets out that the Studebaker muscle car value are growing faster then the rest of the market we'll find the deep pocket investors will snap them up.
    We've already reached the point that many in the hobby have given up the chase for a nice R2 as they watch the values get out of reach. Many, if not most of the older SDC members got in the hobby because Studebaker were affordable, the new guys are often a bit more well off then the old ones. 10 years ago, I'd never see a Studebaker share a garage with a exotic import, now I'd don't even blink a eye when it happens. Sorry to be dwelling so much on values, since I know many could care less about the value of their beloved Studebaker, it's only a factor for those still looking for their dream Studebaker.

    JDP/Maryland
    64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
    64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
    63 Lark 2 door
    58 Packard HT
    56 Golden Hawk
    52 Starliner
    51 Commander
    39 Coupe express
    39 Coupe express (rod)

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  • JDP
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    I agree that R2 Larks/Hawks are "hot" within our hobby, not so much in the big picture. R2's are the Studebaker Hemi, yet even at 30-50K a copy, they bring a fraction of the other muscle cars prices. I think were getting closer to those values, getting hotter as it were, perhaps not yet hot. I think we need to be careful about getting what we ask for. If the word gets out that the Studebaker muscle car value are growing faster then the rest of the market we'll find the deep pocket investors will snap them up.
    We've already reached the point that many in the hobby have given up the chase for a nice R2 as they watch the values get out of reach. Many, if not most of the older SDC members got in the hobby because Studebaker were affordable, the new guys are often a bit more well off then the old ones. 10 years ago, I'd never see a Studebaker share a garage with a exotic import, now I'd don't even blink a eye when it happens. Sorry to be dwelling so much on values, since I know many could care less about the value of their beloved Studebaker, it's only a factor for those still looking for their dream Studebaker.

    JDP/Maryland
    64 R2 GT cost to date $55046.57
    64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
    63 Lark 2 door
    58 Packard HT
    56 Golden Hawk
    52 Starliner
    51 Commander
    39 Coupe express
    39 Coupe express (rod)

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  • Swifster
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    I don't have a problem with Studebakers being in the 'NOT HOT' category as I do with them saying 'Weird Uncle Harold' has one. It makes it sound like only oddballs bought these cars. I bet Weird Uncle Harold traded his R2 Daytona for a Mark Donahue Javelin, a Rebel Machine or a SCrambler...[}]

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    Tom - Valrico, FL

    1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

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  • Swifster
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    I don't have a problem with Studebakers being in the 'NOT HOT' category as I do with them saying 'Weird Uncle Harold' has one. It makes it sound like only oddballs bought these cars. I bet Weird Uncle Harold traded his R2 Daytona for a Mark Donahue Javelin, a Rebel Machine or a SCrambler...[}]

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    Tom - Valrico, FL

    1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

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  • BobPalma
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    quote:Originally posted by 8E45E

    quote:Originally posted by BobPalma


    Today's Muscle Car Review isn't the same as the one that gave us such a fair shake 8-10 years ago, Craig. The older one, under the Editorship of Tom Shaw, was more interesting because the man at the top, Tom Shaw, directed editorial policy that embraced all performance cars of the muscle car era. I haven't followed the spits and restarts of the revived MCR as close as I might, but without Tom (or an equally-open-minded fellow) at the helm, you'll get the sort of ho-hum "reporting" that started this thread.
    Okay, that explains it![^] I used to buy MCR quite regularly as they had some very unique 'special orders' and 'factory one-offs' of all makes that no other magazine covered at the time. I've seen less and less of that in the current MCR's.[V]

    Craig
    Yes, I think the jury is still out on the reincarnated Muscle Car Review, Craig. [}] BP

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  • BobPalma
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    quote:Originally posted by 8E45E

    quote:Originally posted by BobPalma


    Today's Muscle Car Review isn't the same as the one that gave us such a fair shake 8-10 years ago, Craig. The older one, under the Editorship of Tom Shaw, was more interesting because the man at the top, Tom Shaw, directed editorial policy that embraced all performance cars of the muscle car era. I haven't followed the spits and restarts of the revived MCR as close as I might, but without Tom (or an equally-open-minded fellow) at the helm, you'll get the sort of ho-hum "reporting" that started this thread.
    Okay, that explains it![^] I used to buy MCR quite regularly as they had some very unique 'special orders' and 'factory one-offs' of all makes that no other magazine covered at the time. I've seen less and less of that in the current MCR's.[V]

    Craig
    Yes, I think the jury is still out on the reincarnated Muscle Car Review, Craig. [}] BP

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  • Hippie
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    I for one am glad that Studes are not "hot", I probably wouldn't have mine now if they were. I too was one of those that hadn't even thought about a Stude even though I had always liked the '53-'54 Coupes. I've thanked my friends several times for putting me onto this car.

    Analog man in a digital world.

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  • Hippie
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    I for one am glad that Studes are not "hot", I probably wouldn't have mine now if they were. I too was one of those that hadn't even thought about a Stude even though I had always liked the '53-'54 Coupes. I've thanked my friends several times for putting me onto this car.

    Analog man in a digital world.

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  • 8E45E
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    quote:Originally posted by BobPalma


    Today's Muscle Car Review isn't the same as the one that gave us such a fair shake 8-10 years ago, Craig. The older one, under the Editorship of Tom Shaw, was more interesting because the man at the top, Tom Shaw, directed editorial policy that embraced all performance cars of the muscle car era. I haven't followed the spits and restarts of the revived MCR as close as I might, but without Tom (or an equally-open-minded fellow) at the helm, you'll get the sort of ho-hum "reporting" that started this thread.
    Okay, that explains it![^] I used to buy MCR quite regularly as they had some very unique 'special orders' and 'factory one-offs' of all makes that no other magazine covered at the time. I've seen less and less of that in the current MCR's.[V]

    Craig

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  • 8E45E
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    quote:Originally posted by BobPalma


    Today's Muscle Car Review isn't the same as the one that gave us such a fair shake 8-10 years ago, Craig. The older one, under the Editorship of Tom Shaw, was more interesting because the man at the top, Tom Shaw, directed editorial policy that embraced all performance cars of the muscle car era. I haven't followed the spits and restarts of the revived MCR as close as I might, but without Tom (or an equally-open-minded fellow) at the helm, you'll get the sort of ho-hum "reporting" that started this thread.
    Okay, that explains it![^] I used to buy MCR quite regularly as they had some very unique 'special orders' and 'factory one-offs' of all makes that no other magazine covered at the time. I've seen less and less of that in the current MCR's.[V]

    Craig

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  • BobPalma
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    [quote
    Your comments, Bob P? I remember a lot of us fought to keep MCR alive about 6 or 7 years ago because they actually were more inclined to reporting on the 'odd & unusual' over the mainstream Big Three stuff. I think the editors at MCR (and the rest of the muscle car mags) recognize your famous signature by now!

    Craig
    [/quote]

    Today's Muscle Car Review isn't the same as the one that gave us such a fair shake 8-10 years ago, Craig. The older one, under the Editorship of Tom Shaw, was more interesting because the man at the top, Tom Shaw, directed editorial policy that embraced all performance cars of the muscle car era. I haven't followed the spits and restarts of the revived MCR as close as I might, but without Tom (or an equally-open-minded fellow) at the helm, you'll get the sort of ho-hum "reporting" that started this thread.

    Tom is now a more-or-less free-lance writer, selling his articles to whatever magazine will buy them. I spoke with him awhile this September at The Pure Stock Drags and he remains interested in our Studebakers as much as anything; a good guy to have on our side. His articles now appear just about anywhere, although he is doing a lot of writing for Amos Press through their Cars & Parts and Muscle Car Enthusiast magazines.

    Muscle Car Enthusiast Editor Steve Statham was at The Pure Stock Drags taking many photos. I don't know when they'll have a feature article on the 2007 Pure Stock Drags, but I am sure they will. With our many Studebakers there [again!], I'm sure we will have favorable coverage therein.

    Meanwhile, we are getting regular Studebaker articles in Hemmings Classic Car and Hemmings Muscle Machines. That is the most important coverage because they are the foremost publishers in the collector car field; Hemmings Classic Car paid circulation has topped 100,000 per month! I just reviewed an unusual 1953-1954 Studebaker Champion Buyer's Guide (of all things) for Hemmings Classic Car that will appear within a month or two.

    Talk about irony. What was their reasoning for publishing a 1953-1954 Champion Buyer's Guide? They felt popular collectable Studebakers [read: R-powered cars] were getting so expensive, they wanted to assure would-be hobbyists that you could have the famous Studebaker style and uniqueness without spending an arm and a leg!

    Across the aisle at Hemmings Muscle Machines, a "Weekend Warrior" retro article is on the docket for the Ray Tanner Whistler R2/4-speed 1963 Lark Regal briefly mentioned in the recent HMM article on Ted Harbit's Stude Tomato. I fortunately retained my correspondence and photos from 1963, when I wrote Ray Tanner [at age 17, remember!] about the car and received a nice 2-page letter and photos from them with lots of information about the car and its National Record-setting in AHRA's A/Compact Stock class. One of the writers at Hemmings has been in contact and wants to use that material for a one-page "Weekend Warrior" review of period drag race cars. [][]

    (Meanwhile, if anyone knows the whereabouts of Ray Tanner's Whistler, it would be great to locate the actual car! Its present whereabouts are unknown [V] to the best of my knowledge...and that of Nelson Bove, which is really saying something! All my photos of it are black & white, but research has led us to believe it was Blue Mist 1963 Lark Regal 2-door, Serial Number 63V15969, shipped with engine #JTS1412 under the hood. Body Number is thought to be 63V-F4 746. It would be great to locate this car [], last seen professionally lettered up as a drag race competitor where delivered in the Phoenix AZ area. Any junk yard dogs patrolling the yards in Arizona, be on the lookout! [:I])

    So progress continues despite ill-advised remarks such as those published under Robert Genat's name, here. (I wonder if wei

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