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  • Dutch
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    quote:Originally posted by DilloCrafter

    Dutch, I think this will interest you...
    Actually, I've been lurking here, watching your threads about this motor since nearly day one. All those times your ears are burning, that's me cursing you for not getting that damned motor installed so the rest of us can see how it runs.

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  • Dutch
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    quote:Originally posted by DilloCrafter

    Dutch, I think this will interest you...
    Actually, I've been lurking here, watching your threads about this motor since nearly day one. All those times your ears are burning, that's me cursing you for not getting that damned motor installed so the rest of us can see how it runs.

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  • DilloCrafter
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    Dutch, I think this will interest you, considering the thread you had started with "motor bling" (yes, I changed the word to bling).

    Here's my 185 cu. in. Champion motor, orginally from a 1957 C-cab truck, which has STILL yet to be installed in my 1955 truck, to replace the tired Champion that sits in there now (I bet everyone is tired of waiting for me to do this, but it DOES look good sitting on my garage floor). It was done pretty much in the way Bill Cathcart does one when he gives it the full internal and external treatment. For what he does, you can see www.cathcartsstudebaker.com

    Here's my engine:


    [img=left]http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Avacar-hcsdc.gif[/img=left]DilloCrafter

    1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
    The Red-Headed Amazon
    Deep in the heart of Texas

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  • DilloCrafter
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    Dutch, I think this will interest you, considering the thread you had started with "motor bling" (yes, I changed the word to bling).

    Here's my 185 cu. in. Champion motor, orginally from a 1957 C-cab truck, which has STILL yet to be installed in my 1955 truck, to replace the tired Champion that sits in there now (I bet everyone is tired of waiting for me to do this, but it DOES look good sitting on my garage floor). It was done pretty much in the way Bill Cathcart does one when he gives it the full internal and external treatment. For what he does, you can see www.cathcartsstudebaker.com

    Here's my engine:


    [img=left]http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Avacar-hcsdc.gif[/img=left]DilloCrafter

    1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
    The Red-Headed Amazon
    Deep in the heart of Texas

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  • Thomas63R2
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    I am not aware that there ever was a commercially available forced induction for the Stude 6. Weirdly enough, (I say weird because no one remembers turbo kits this old) there was an early turbo setup available for the Chevy 6. From 1949 to 1952 the Besasie-Chevrolet draw through turbocharger promised 155 hp at 6 lbs boost.

    This pic looks old, but is actually more recent: http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3921/turbo6fs0.jpg I really dig the blow off valve built into the carb hat.

    The early McCulloch centrifugal supercharger, like on the Ford flathead V8 http://www.vs57.com/index30s.htm or the Kaiser http://www.vs57.com/ (click on Supercharged Kaisers on the left side).

    Thomas

    Long time hot rodder
    Packrat junk collector
    '63 Avanti R2 4 speed

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  • Thomas63R2
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    I am not aware that there ever was a commercially available forced induction for the Stude 6. Weirdly enough, (I say weird because no one remembers turbo kits this old) there was an early turbo setup available for the Chevy 6. From 1949 to 1952 the Besasie-Chevrolet draw through turbocharger promised 155 hp at 6 lbs boost.

    This pic looks old, but is actually more recent: http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3921/turbo6fs0.jpg I really dig the blow off valve built into the carb hat.

    The early McCulloch centrifugal supercharger, like on the Ford flathead V8 http://www.vs57.com/index30s.htm or the Kaiser http://www.vs57.com/ (click on Supercharged Kaisers on the left side).

    Thomas

    Long time hot rodder
    Packrat junk collector
    '63 Avanti R2 4 speed

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  • Swifster
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    Old McCulloch superchargers from the '30's & '40's.

    http://www.vs57.com/the%2030s%20pinups.htm

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    Tom - Valrico, FL

    1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1903.98)

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  • Swifster
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    Old McCulloch superchargers from the '30's & '40's.

    http://www.vs57.com/the%2030s%20pinups.htm

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Tom - Valrico, FL

    1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1903.98)

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  • Dutch
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    quote:Originally posted by PackardV8
    In fifty years of SDC membership and of subscribing to most of the gearhead magazines, I have never seen or heard of a commercially produced kit to force-feed a Champion. Not enough people that kind of money want start trying to make horsepower with the worst possible engine.

    1. 169/185 cubic inches is tiny in a big car.
    2. Long stroke makes for high piston speeds
    3. Small bore makes for poor breathing
    4. Valve-in-block makes for even worse breathing.

    Bottom line, nothing can be done to force-feed the Champ which wouldn't produce two-ghree time the horsepower increase on a Stude V8 for the same cost.
    You have confirmed what I was pretty sure I knew already. Sad. Anyway, I wasn't asking because I wanted to try this out on my own engine; my interest is much more academic.

    I love pre-'60s vintage cars, and especially performance flathead-powered ones. And because I lust after fire-breathing vintage power plants, it follows that I should be interested in forced induction applications. Though saying this here might get me chased out of town by an angry, pitchfork-wielding mob...someday I will own a tricked out Merc with a big ol' flathead that's so shiny and pretty, you'll need sunglasses just to look under the hood. Of course, the little Champ in my 2R10 panel truck will be all dressed up and just as pretty, too.

    quote:As an interesting exercise in masochism, try it. Go for the pain!
    Oh god no. I am waaaaaay too poor for these fantasies to become anything more. Perhaps once I finish grad school, and am making the six-figure salary....

    quoteThis is from a guy spending lots of time, money and effort trying to make Packard V8s run with the belly-button motors.)
    Ooooh! Vintage AND obscure! Blog/pics?

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  • Dutch
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    quote:Originally posted by PackardV8
    In fifty years of SDC membership and of subscribing to most of the gearhead magazines, I have never seen or heard of a commercially produced kit to force-feed a Champion. Not enough people that kind of money want start trying to make horsepower with the worst possible engine.

    1. 169/185 cubic inches is tiny in a big car.
    2. Long stroke makes for high piston speeds
    3. Small bore makes for poor breathing
    4. Valve-in-block makes for even worse breathing.

    Bottom line, nothing can be done to force-feed the Champ which wouldn't produce two-ghree time the horsepower increase on a Stude V8 for the same cost.
    You have confirmed what I was pretty sure I knew already. Sad. Anyway, I wasn't asking because I wanted to try this out on my own engine; my interest is much more academic.

    I love pre-'60s vintage cars, and especially performance flathead-powered ones. And because I lust after fire-breathing vintage power plants, it follows that I should be interested in forced induction applications. Though saying this here might get me chased out of town by an angry, pitchfork-wielding mob...someday I will own a tricked out Merc with a big ol' flathead that's so shiny and pretty, you'll need sunglasses just to look under the hood. Of course, the little Champ in my 2R10 panel truck will be all dressed up and just as pretty, too.

    quote:As an interesting exercise in masochism, try it. Go for the pain!
    Oh god no. I am waaaaaay too poor for these fantasies to become anything more. Perhaps once I finish grad school, and am making the six-figure salary....

    quoteThis is from a guy spending lots of time, money and effort trying to make Packard V8s run with the belly-button motors.)
    Ooooh! Vintage AND obscure! Blog/pics?

    Leave a comment:


  • studegary
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    quote:Originally posted by PackardV8

    Hi, Dutch,

    In fifty years of SDC membership and of subscribing to most of the gearhead magazines, I have never seen or heard of a commercially produced kit to force-feed a Champion. Not enough people that kind of money want start trying to make horsepower with the worst possible engine.


    thnx, jv.

    PackardV8
    I agree with your comments about supercharging the flathead six. I just don't see how you could have been an SDC member more than five years before there was an SDC (I guess that you meant 50 years of magazines, including some number of those years as a member of SDC.).

    Gary L.
    Wappinger, NY

    SDC member since 1968
    Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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  • studegary
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    quote:Originally posted by PackardV8

    Hi, Dutch,

    In fifty years of SDC membership and of subscribing to most of the gearhead magazines, I have never seen or heard of a commercially produced kit to force-feed a Champion. Not enough people that kind of money want start trying to make horsepower with the worst possible engine.


    thnx, jv.

    PackardV8
    I agree with your comments about supercharging the flathead six. I just don't see how you could have been an SDC member more than five years before there was an SDC (I guess that you meant 50 years of magazines, including some number of those years as a member of SDC.).

    Gary L.
    Wappinger, NY

    SDC member since 1968
    Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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  • Swifster
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    In the '40's and '50's, McCullough sold superchargers for a wide variety of cars. This was a centrifical unit that was on top of the engine. These are extremely rare. There are more than one flathead Ford with this unit, and they were available for other engines.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Tom - Valrico, FL

    1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1903.98)

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  • Swifster
    replied
    In the '40's and '50's, McCullough sold superchargers for a wide variety of cars. This was a centrifical unit that was on top of the engine. These are extremely rare. There are more than one flathead Ford with this unit, and they were available for other engines.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Tom - Valrico, FL

    1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1903.98)

    Leave a comment:


  • PackardV8
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    Hi, Dutch,

    In (nearly) fifty years of SDC membership and of subscribing to most of the gearhead magazines, I have never seen or heard of a commercially produced kit to force-feed a Champion. Not enough people that kind of money want start trying to make horsepower with the worst possible engine.

    1. 169/185 cubic inches is tiny in a big car.
    2. Long stroke makes for high piston speeds
    3. Small bore makes for poor breathing
    4. Valve-in-block makes for even worse breathing.

    Bottom line, nothing can be done to force-feed the Champ which wouldn't produce two-three time the horsepower increase on a Stude V8 for the same cost.

    Yes, I know a Champ coupe ran 135 at Bonneville last year, but many cars spending the same money on larger engines ran over 200 MPH.

    As an interesting exercise in masochism, try it. Go for the pain! (This is from a guy spending lots of time, money and effort trying to make Packard V8s run with the belly-button motors.)

    thnx, jv.

    PackardV8

    Leave a comment:

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