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  • studegary
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    I do not own the Hawk in question and am not familiar with it.

    Rich, my comment about my Studebakers was not aimed at you in particular. The comment was based on observations of comments by the general buying public.

    Gary L.
    Wappinger, NY

    SDC member since 1968
    Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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  • studegary
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    I do not own the Hawk in question and am not familiar with it.

    Rich, my comment about my Studebakers was not aimed at you in particular. The comment was based on observations of comments by the general buying public.

    Gary L.
    Wappinger, NY

    SDC member since 1968
    Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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  • StudeRich
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    Well Gary, unless you own the R2 Hawk in question, you don't have worry about anyone thinking your cars are rustbuckets! [^]

    Because no one I know of, including myself said that!

    However Bams50 is right I have not seen that Hawk, and might have been a little overly skeptical of it. However the reason I said that is it's got all the signs of much worse damage under the rear quarters, and other hidden places, BECAUSE of what I DID see! Lots of rust coming through the front fenders, and much rust on the frame, did you see that Disc brake shot? It was full of DEEP rust, meaning it sat in a nice dry garage at below 32 degrees and condensed and sweated-up the whole car quite a bit. Compare this to that Black & White Eastern '56 Sky Hawk, and you will see what I mean! [:0]
    And sure it's still a great car, because of it's rarity and the interior, but these conditions definitely have a negative effect on it's value, also the Automatic on a R2!

    quote:Originally posted by studegary

    Many people ASSUME that every vehicle that I have for sale is a rusty NY vehicle. EVERY Studebaker that I have purchased, and subsequently sold, in at least the last 20 years, was transported in from a non-rust part of the country, like NM, central TX, etc.
    StudeRich
    Studebakers Northwest
    Ferndale, WA

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  • StudeRich
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    Well Gary, unless you own the R2 Hawk in question, you don't have worry about anyone thinking your cars are rustbuckets! [^]

    Because no one I know of, including myself said that!

    However Bams50 is right I have not seen that Hawk, and might have been a little overly skeptical of it. However the reason I said that is it's got all the signs of much worse damage under the rear quarters, and other hidden places, BECAUSE of what I DID see! Lots of rust coming through the front fenders, and much rust on the frame, did you see that Disc brake shot? It was full of DEEP rust, meaning it sat in a nice dry garage at below 32 degrees and condensed and sweated-up the whole car quite a bit. Compare this to that Black & White Eastern '56 Sky Hawk, and you will see what I mean! [:0]
    And sure it's still a great car, because of it's rarity and the interior, but these conditions definitely have a negative effect on it's value, also the Automatic on a R2!

    quote:Originally posted by studegary

    Many people ASSUME that every vehicle that I have for sale is a rusty NY vehicle. EVERY Studebaker that I have purchased, and subsequently sold, in at least the last 20 years, was transported in from a non-rust part of the country, like NM, central TX, etc.
    StudeRich
    Studebakers Northwest
    Ferndale, WA

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  • FAK
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    quote:Originally posted by Swifster

    Florida cars are not all they're cracked up to be even if they were native to this state. Between high humidity and salt spray from the ocean or gulf, even cars that spent their whole life here can have cancer issues.

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    Tom - Valrico, FL
    How true Tom! Ideally one has a temperature [u]and humidity </u>controlled environment to house their vintage vehicles in here in FL

    FAK

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  • FAK
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    quote:Originally posted by Swifster

    Florida cars are not all they're cracked up to be even if they were native to this state. Between high humidity and salt spray from the ocean or gulf, even cars that spent their whole life here can have cancer issues.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Tom - Valrico, FL
    How true Tom! Ideally one has a temperature [u]and humidity </u>controlled environment to house their vintage vehicles in here in FL

    FAK

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  • Swifster
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    Florida cars are not all they're cracked up to be even if they were native to this state. Between high humidity and salt spray from the ocean or gulf, even cars that spent their whole life here can have cancer issues.

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    Tom - Valrico, FL

    1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

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  • Swifster
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    Florida cars are not all they're cracked up to be even if they were native to this state. Between high humidity and salt spray from the ocean or gulf, even cars that spent their whole life here can have cancer issues.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Tom - Valrico, FL

    1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

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  • mbstude
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    George K.'s unrestored (original paint, interior, etc) '38 Commander came out of NY. Spent its whole life there, but never saw winter. The only rust spot on that car, anywhere, is pretty small and under one of the Cathedral Headlight assemblies. Now the car spends its days in Florida.

    Matthew Burnette
    '59 Scotsman
    '63 Daytona
    Hazlehurst, GA


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  • mbstude
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    George K.'s unrestored (original paint, interior, etc) '38 Commander came out of NY. Spent its whole life there, but never saw winter. The only rust spot on that car, anywhere, is pretty small and under one of the Cathedral Headlight assemblies. Now the car spends its days in Florida.

    Matthew Burnette
    '59 Scotsman
    '63 Daytona
    Hazlehurst, GA


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  • studegary
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    Just because a vehicle now resides in New York does not mean that it is a rust bucket or has resided in NY for very long. Sometimes the opposite is true. Like I have given up looking at cars in Florida. Most of them started life in MI, NJ, NY OH, etc. There are also cars in NY that never go out in the Winter. My '63 Skytop was an example of that. It was stored by the original owner every Winter while the owners were in Florida with their Cadillac. (Yes, I know that it is stated that the subject Gran Turismo spent its life in NY, but most of its life in storage.)

    Many people ASSUME that every vehicle that I have for sale is a rusty NY vehicle. EVERY Studebaker that I have purchased, and subsequently sold, in at least the last 20 years, was transported in from a non-rust part of the country, like NM, central TX, etc.

    Gary L.
    Wappinger, NY

    SDC member since 1968
    Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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  • studegary
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    Just because a vehicle now resides in New York does not mean that it is a rust bucket or has resided in NY for very long. Sometimes the opposite is true. Like I have given up looking at cars in Florida. Most of them started life in MI, NJ, NY OH, etc. There are also cars in NY that never go out in the Winter. My '63 Skytop was an example of that. It was stored by the original owner every Winter while the owners were in Florida with their Cadillac. (Yes, I know that it is stated that the subject Gran Turismo spent its life in NY, but most of its life in storage.)

    Many people ASSUME that every vehicle that I have for sale is a rusty NY vehicle. EVERY Studebaker that I have purchased, and subsequently sold, in at least the last 20 years, was transported in from a non-rust part of the country, like NM, central TX, etc.

    Gary L.
    Wappinger, NY

    SDC member since 1968
    Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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  • bams50
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    WOW, Rich! When did you see the car to conclude it was a rustbucket that needs to be completely rebodied? There's nothing in the description that says anyhing LIKE that- seller says "from six feet it looks like a prisitne show car"![:0] Unless you've actually seen it in person, you're jumping to crazy unfair conclusions![|)]


    I of course agree it's a good possibility what you say is true, but it's just as possible it is as good- or BETTER- than the seller's description! It does happen, you know.

    That is why my interest in this particular car was piqued by the fact that I could go and see it in person- to determine exactly WHAT the real condition is, before I bid any more!


    To condemn a possibly great car with a wild guess is foolish.

    ...I mean, no, go ahead, if it's something I want to bid on!

    Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
    Parish, central NY 13131


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  • bams50
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    WOW, Rich! When did you see the car to conclude it was a rustbucket that needs to be completely rebodied? There's nothing in the description that says anyhing LIKE that- seller says "from six feet it looks like a prisitne show car"![:0] Unless you've actually seen it in person, you're jumping to crazy unfair conclusions![|)]


    I of course agree it's a good possibility what you say is true, but it's just as possible it is as good- or BETTER- than the seller's description! It does happen, you know.

    That is why my interest in this particular car was piqued by the fact that I could go and see it in person- to determine exactly WHAT the real condition is, before I bid any more!


    To condemn a possibly great car with a wild guess is foolish.

    ...I mean, no, go ahead, if it's something I want to bid on!

    Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
    Parish, central NY 13131


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  • StudeRich
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    They HAVE to be kidding! Over $15,000.00 for a low mileage, nice interior '63 R2 Hawk that is a New York rustbucket needing to be re-bodied?[xx(]
    I don't think so!

    With an Automatic, a good Western one would sell for way less than the repair bill on this one and the 15,000.00 plus price!

    StudeRich
    Studebakers Northwest
    Ferndale, WA

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