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    Hi there!

    I have a 65 Wagonaire in pretty beautiful shape - original interior and exterior.
    There are about 60K original miles on it.
    Private schooling is necessitating the sale of this dignified friend.
    Here is my question:
    The car needs about $1,500 - 2K worth of work on the clutch and transmission.
    I am wondering if I should spend the money to get it in great running shape, or if it is more attractive to someone who wants to fix it up a bit.

    ANY advice is appreciated!

  • #2
    quote:Originally posted by Hazel Mama
    ANY advice is appreciated!
    You will get LOTS of free advice here!

    My opinion is that someone will buy it on eBay even knowing what it needs done to it (and buyers are not turned off by thorough listings with details of what's good and what needs work - they trust you more because of it).

    On the other hand, if you put that money into it, you may well get it all back and then some, since there are buyers out there who will pay a pretty penny for a car that is complete, beautiful, and in need of no work to make it a great driver.

    I hope JDP and Dick Steinkamp and others can chime in here, as they have paid a lot of attention to the art of buying and selling Studebakers.

    [img=left]http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

    1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
    The Red-Headed Amazon
    Deep in the heart of Texas

    Paul Simpson
    "DilloCrafter"

    1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
    The Red-Headed Amazon
    Deep in the heart of Texas

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    • #3
      quote:Originally posted by Hazel Mama
      ANY advice is appreciated!
      You will get LOTS of free advice here!

      My opinion is that someone will buy it on eBay even knowing what it needs done to it (and buyers are not turned off by thorough listings with details of what's good and what needs work - they trust you more because of it).

      On the other hand, if you put that money into it, you may well get it all back and then some, since there are buyers out there who will pay a pretty penny for a car that is complete, beautiful, and in need of no work to make it a great driver.

      I hope JDP and Dick Steinkamp and others can chime in here, as they have paid a lot of attention to the art of buying and selling Studebakers.

      [img=left]http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

      1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
      The Red-Headed Amazon
      Deep in the heart of Texas

      Paul Simpson
      "DilloCrafter"

      1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
      The Red-Headed Amazon
      Deep in the heart of Texas

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      • #4
        I think that 1,500 to 2,000 for a repair job on a standard transmission is totally out of line. An automatic may cost $1,500 to repair and replace, but standards should be much cheaper. I'd get some other quotes.

        It is also extremely unlikely that you will find as reliable a ride, and one that is just about the right size as the Studebaker for the money you may get from it.

        Unfortunately, I consider prices for Studebakers to be lower than what you'd expect. Without any details, it is hard to appraise a car, but I expect the high value range for the car is in the current condition is only 3-5K. There are some magazines available to self- appraise a car, but in the end, its whatever a willing purchaser will pay.

        My 2 cents.

        Paul

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        • #5
          I think that 1,500 to 2,000 for a repair job on a standard transmission is totally out of line. An automatic may cost $1,500 to repair and replace, but standards should be much cheaper. I'd get some other quotes.

          It is also extremely unlikely that you will find as reliable a ride, and one that is just about the right size as the Studebaker for the money you may get from it.

          Unfortunately, I consider prices for Studebakers to be lower than what you'd expect. Without any details, it is hard to appraise a car, but I expect the high value range for the car is in the current condition is only 3-5K. There are some magazines available to self- appraise a car, but in the end, its whatever a willing purchaser will pay.

          My 2 cents.

          Paul

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          • #6
            I'm with Paul here. You'd have to give us much more in the way of details about how the car's equipped and what it's current condition is. There's no "pat answer" just for any 65 Wagonaire. To my way of thinking, of late, Stude prices have slumped. There's been some Wagonaires go for under a thousand lately. NOT really nice one, mind you, but again, condition is everything.

            $1500 - $2K is ALOT of dough for a clutch job and usually it's only one or the other - not BOTH tranny and clutch. Sounds to me like you're being set up by whoever gave you an estimate.[}] Of course - again, without details, we're graspin' at shadows.

            OK, I went back and read that it's in "pretty nice shape". And if I see it as very presentable - inside and out, I'd say you'd get better money for it if it was driveable. I still think the estimate's high unless there TRULY is something wrong with the tranny.
            Unscrupulous repair guys LOVE to gouge women for things they have no knowledge of when it comes to cars. And some places will give inflated estimates just BECAUSE it's a Studebaker and they really don't wanna mess with it thinking it's gonna end up being a bear to get parts for and fix. It really wouldn't BE like that but most shops nowdays have never SEEN a Studebaker and would rather beg off than have to deal with comebacks on repairs they've done.[xx(]

            Miscreant adrift in
            the BerStuda Triangle!!

            1957 Transtar 1/2ton
            1960 Larkvertible V8
            1958 Provincial wagon
            1953 Commander coupe
            No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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            • #7
              I'm with Paul here. You'd have to give us much more in the way of details about how the car's equipped and what it's current condition is. There's no "pat answer" just for any 65 Wagonaire. To my way of thinking, of late, Stude prices have slumped. There's been some Wagonaires go for under a thousand lately. NOT really nice one, mind you, but again, condition is everything.

              $1500 - $2K is ALOT of dough for a clutch job and usually it's only one or the other - not BOTH tranny and clutch. Sounds to me like you're being set up by whoever gave you an estimate.[}] Of course - again, without details, we're graspin' at shadows.

              OK, I went back and read that it's in "pretty nice shape". And if I see it as very presentable - inside and out, I'd say you'd get better money for it if it was driveable. I still think the estimate's high unless there TRULY is something wrong with the tranny.
              Unscrupulous repair guys LOVE to gouge women for things they have no knowledge of when it comes to cars. And some places will give inflated estimates just BECAUSE it's a Studebaker and they really don't wanna mess with it thinking it's gonna end up being a bear to get parts for and fix. It really wouldn't BE like that but most shops nowdays have never SEEN a Studebaker and would rather beg off than have to deal with comebacks on repairs they've done.[xx(]

              Miscreant adrift in
              the BerStuda Triangle!!

              1957 Transtar 1/2ton
              1960 Larkvertible V8
              1958 Provincial wagon
              1953 Commander coupe
              No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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              • #8
                You don't mention your location,but if you have an ebay acct,that's where to sell it.On the east coast,we have JDP,to list it and help sell it,on the west coast there's Dick Steinkamp,and Mr Biggs,and a few thousand of us SDC'ers in between!! As has been said"trans and clutch???'doubtful.
                A few pics would help us all figure out what we're talking about here.Your location is important,due to the fact that the car needs transmission OR clutch work-and would have to be hauled to a new home.-that IS expensive.

                LaSalle,Il
                61Hawk
                60Lark
                Oglesby,Il.

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                • #9
                  You don't mention your location,but if you have an ebay acct,that's where to sell it.On the east coast,we have JDP,to list it and help sell it,on the west coast there's Dick Steinkamp,and Mr Biggs,and a few thousand of us SDC'ers in between!! As has been said"trans and clutch???'doubtful.
                  A few pics would help us all figure out what we're talking about here.Your location is important,due to the fact that the car needs transmission OR clutch work-and would have to be hauled to a new home.-that IS expensive.

                  LaSalle,Il
                  61Hawk
                  60Lark
                  Oglesby,Il.

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                  • #10
                    Her profile says LA, CA.

                    Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
                    Parish, central NY 13131
                    http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

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                    • #11
                      Her profile says LA, CA.

                      Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
                      Parish, central NY 13131
                      http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

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                      • #12
                        I too would look for a second or third opinion on the work involved.
                        If everything in the trans is broken, maybe. But then I would look for a decent donor that only needs freshened. I had my 3-speed w/od overhauled by a professional, replacing only necessary parts, for $365. Clutch kits are only a couple hundred bucks and a couple hours labor.


                        Brad Johnson
                        Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
                        33 Rockne 10
                        51 Commander Starlight
                        53 Commander Starlight

                        previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser
                        "All attempts to 'rise above the issue' are simply an excuse to avoid it profitably." --Dick Gregory

                        Brad Johnson, SDC since 1975, ASC since 1990
                        Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
                        sigpic'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight "Désirée"

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                        • #13
                          I too would look for a second or third opinion on the work involved.
                          If everything in the trans is broken, maybe. But then I would look for a decent donor that only needs freshened. I had my 3-speed w/od overhauled by a professional, replacing only necessary parts, for $365. Clutch kits are only a couple hundred bucks and a couple hours labor.


                          Brad Johnson
                          Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
                          33 Rockne 10
                          51 Commander Starlight
                          53 Commander Starlight

                          previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser
                          "All attempts to 'rise above the issue' are simply an excuse to avoid it profitably." --Dick Gregory

                          Brad Johnson, SDC since 1975, ASC since 1990
                          Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
                          sigpic'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight "Désirée"

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                          • #14
                            quote:Originally posted by Hazel Mama

                            Hi there!

                            I have a 65 Wagonaire in pretty beautiful shape - original interior and exterior.
                            There are about 60K original miles on it.
                            Private schooling is necessitating the sale of this dignified friend.
                            Here is my question:
                            The car needs about $1,500 - 2K worth of work on the clutch and transmission.
                            I am wondering if I should spend the money to get it in great running shape, or if it is more attractive to someone who wants to fix it up a bit.

                            ANY advice is appreciated!
                            Hazel,

                            Is the car a six cylinder or a V8? They don't use the same transmission, you know. While the clutch in these cars is basically a Chevy part, and readily available, the transmissions are unique to Studebaker, and quite different from one another. Last I heard, you could still get NEW six cylinder overdrive transmissions from SASCO for about $395. (Please don't assume that figure is accurate.) New V8 trannies are not available, but rebuild parts are.

                            In any case, I'd recommend that you have the car looked at by an experienced Studebaker mechanic before committing to having any work done. As others have said, shops doing mainly Brand X work will quote Studebaker jobs WAAAY high, in hopes that you will simply go away, and if you don't, they have covered themselves against their imagined high parts cost.

                            If you decide to sell the car, I'd recommend that you DON'T attempt to fix it. If you spend any money at all to prep it for sale, have it detailed and power-buffed to shine it up for the pictures. Most of your target market consists of people who can either do their own repair work, or who know where to get it done at a fair price.

                            Station wagons, especially the Wagonaires with the sliding roof, are quite sought after these days. You might do quite well on eBay with a good presentation, meaning lots of sharp pictures.

                            Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands
                            Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

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                            • #15
                              quote:Originally posted by Hazel Mama

                              Hi there!

                              I have a 65 Wagonaire in pretty beautiful shape - original interior and exterior.
                              There are about 60K original miles on it.
                              Private schooling is necessitating the sale of this dignified friend.
                              Here is my question:
                              The car needs about $1,500 - 2K worth of work on the clutch and transmission.
                              I am wondering if I should spend the money to get it in great running shape, or if it is more attractive to someone who wants to fix it up a bit.

                              ANY advice is appreciated!
                              Hazel,

                              Is the car a six cylinder or a V8? They don't use the same transmission, you know. While the clutch in these cars is basically a Chevy part, and readily available, the transmissions are unique to Studebaker, and quite different from one another. Last I heard, you could still get NEW six cylinder overdrive transmissions from SASCO for about $395. (Please don't assume that figure is accurate.) New V8 trannies are not available, but rebuild parts are.

                              In any case, I'd recommend that you have the car looked at by an experienced Studebaker mechanic before committing to having any work done. As others have said, shops doing mainly Brand X work will quote Studebaker jobs WAAAY high, in hopes that you will simply go away, and if you don't, they have covered themselves against their imagined high parts cost.

                              If you decide to sell the car, I'd recommend that you DON'T attempt to fix it. If you spend any money at all to prep it for sale, have it detailed and power-buffed to shine it up for the pictures. Most of your target market consists of people who can either do their own repair work, or who know where to get it done at a fair price.

                              Station wagons, especially the Wagonaires with the sliding roof, are quite sought after these days. You might do quite well on eBay with a good presentation, meaning lots of sharp pictures.

                              Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands
                              Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

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