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    The 1931 sedan rod auction on eBay has me confused. I bid on this car. I was the high bidder for awhile. Today, I received notice that my bid was cancelled. I went to the auction and found that many bids had been cancelled with the reason to the effect: 1931 Studebaker. The auction is still running with a couple of days to go. The current top bid is less than what I had bid. I tried to bid again. It came back that the seller is not accepting bids from me. It is a no reserve auction and it looks like the seller is trying to fix the sale.
    Last edited by studegary; 11-30-2011, 02:37 PM. Reason: missing "t"
    Gary L.
    Wappinger, NY

    SDC member since 1968
    Studebaker enthusiast much longer

  • #2
    Gary,
    That does sound very fishy. I just bid on it just to see what would happen, it accepted my bid, but of course I was outbid at basically the same time (proxy, I'm sure)
    How do you find out why it won't let you in on the action?
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    JohnP, driving & reviving
    60 Lark & 58 Scotsman 4dr

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    • #3
      Ask the seller what is up.

      When you click on the sellers ask a question link, it will have bullet points of existing answers, click on "other" then hit "continue" and a box will come up you can type in. Cant hurt to ask.

      Edit: I asked him why for you, we will see what happens, what is your ebay username? No worries, without your pass word I cant hurt you...not that I would. How many purchases do you have? Any negative feedbacks?
      Last edited by kmac530; 11-30-2011, 02:33 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by allstateguy View Post
        Gary,
        That does sound very fishy. I just bid on it just to see what would happen, it accepted my bid, but of course I was outbid at basically the same time (proxy, I'm sure)
        How do you find out why it won't let you in on the action?
        When I put in a bid, it came back from eBay that I am not allowed to bid on it.
        Gary L.
        Wappinger, NY

        SDC member since 1968
        Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kmac530 View Post
          Ask the seller what is up.

          When you click on the sellers ask a question link, it will have bullet points of existing answers, click on "other" then hit "continue" and a box will come up you can type in. Cant hurt to ask.

          Edit: I asked him why for you, we will see what happens, what is your ebay username? No worries, without your pass word I cant hurt you...not that I would. How many purchases do you have? Any negative feedbacks?
          I don't care enough to pursue it. It is a strange listing with only pictures of one side of the car, no interior, right side, etc.

          I have bought and sold many vehicles on eBay. Many do not leave feedbacks. I think that my number of feedbacks is 72 with 100%.

          I wasn't the only one that he cancelled. IIRC, the seller has zero feedbacks. The car is in Clearwater, FL.
          Gary L.
          Wappinger, NY

          SDC member since 1968
          Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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          • #6
            It must be my day for strange things. Between my two posts (#4 & #5), the Forum said that I wasn't logged on and I had to log on again (I can't remember the last time that I had to do this.).
            Gary L.
            Wappinger, NY

            SDC member since 1968
            Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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            • #7
              I agree on the strange listing, if I wanted to sell it, I would post alot more, and alot of different views. I think it is funny that he posts "all steel"...as if there is alot of glass Studes out there? Other than Avanti's of course, and the occasional glass nose for Bonneville cars.

              With 72 purchase/sales and all positive feedbacks, I can not see why he would have deleted.

              Why would you bid if you were not serious? I had a guy win a motorcycle then say "oops" didnt think I would win, I need to back out...I was so pissed off.

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              • #8
                That Florida rod has been on ebay before. I can't remember when, or any of the details, but I do remember it being there.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kmac530 View Post
                  I agree on the strange listing, if I wanted to sell it, I would post alot more, and alot of different views. I think it is funny that he posts "all steel"...as if there is alot of glass Studes out there? Other than Avanti's of course, and the occasional glass nose for Bonneville cars.

                  With 72 purchase/sales and all positive feedbacks, I can not see why he would have deleted.

                  Why would you bid if you were not serious? I had a guy win a motorcycle then say "oops" didnt think I would win, I need to back out...I was so pissed off.
                  It is not that I wasn't "serious". I would have purchased it if I "won" the auction. It is just that I do not care that much, there is always another car. I often put a low bid in and then later raise my bid. I do not think that he was singling me out.
                  Gary L.
                  Wappinger, NY

                  SDC member since 1968
                  Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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                  • #10
                    Let's do some forensics:

                    Currently at $3300, no reserve.
                    Joined eBay March '11.
                    Zero feedback.
                    Weak listing.
                    Bidder inexplicably canceled/banned.

                    To me, that adds up to one of two things:

                    1. New, inexperienced seller that has yet to figure out how to run a listing: Not only poor description and pictures, but is somehow mucking up his listing controls, i.e. blocking bidders
                    2. Scammer who is playing games with the listing and the bidders at random

                    Based on the available photos, there's no way anyone would sell that car for anywhere near what it's bid, and it's too big a risk not to have a reserve. So it might just be someone who has no idea what they're doing, or it could be a scam. Moving from forensics to to instinct, this feels wrong in my gut, like maybe the pictures were lifted from a legit sale.

                    If you like the car, make a little effort to determine what's going on- your patience might be rewarded with a great deal, or you may help others by heading off a fraud.

                    BTW, it's always much better to post a link to any discussed listing:

                    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1931-...item2a165f8df7

                    EDITED TO ADD: I just bid $4100 just to see what happened and it worked as it's supposed to (and I was outbid).
                    Last edited by Bob Andrews; 11-30-2011, 04:02 PM.
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                    • #11
                      The fellow may be two steps ahead of everyone. He has people bidding on the car who have no business doing so.....running up the price ?? Car is worth what anyone is willing to pay and seller willing to sell. Not enough info not enough photography. If i had an interest, which I have none.....would send the boy a note....asking him his price .....and get back to you after the bidding to further discuss. Better safe than sorry...

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                      • #12
                        Just to clarify, you likely al know but for anyone who does not know, when you post a listing with a reserve or a minimum bid, lets say $100.00, once someone places a bid of that amount OR more, it stops at the $100.00

                        Even if their bid is $1000.00 it comes up as $100.00. If someone else bids $110.00, they just get an instant note of being out bid and the listed bid goes to $120.00 (or whatever $ incriment the bid is at...ie $1, $5, $10, $...100)

                        Now once someone bids $1001.00 or more then the initial 1k is out bid and that is the new amount. Now if this new bidder bids 2k, his bid will show on screen only enough to beat the 1k bidder, usually about $50.00 incriments at that amount of money being bid so about $1050.00.

                        Now this listing is over any reserve or "minimum" bid requirement. So unless this is a scam, it will sell for sure. Someone may have already bid $20k for all we know.

                        I have heard of someone having a family member of friend bid the person bottom line just to start things off and get people excited and start a bidding frenzy, but that is stupid. Although it only cost $125.00 to sell something so you could post a listing and have a friend bid until others jump in, and the most it would cost a creative-yet fraudulent seller would be the listing/selling fee.

                        Could be one of those deals, but still does not explain the removed bids..

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                        • #13
                          Check here: http://www.lokeyautos.com/index.html (note sellers i.d.)

                          Lowkey Motors in Clearwater is apparently a high end Mercedes dealer.
                          Richard Quinn
                          Editor emeritus: Antique Studebaker Review

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                          • #14
                            I got an email from eBay this morning (because I bid on it as a test) that the auction had been cancelled for some unspecified impropriety. So the "fishy" feeling people had may have been accurate?
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                            JohnP, driving & reviving
                            60 Lark & 58 Scotsman 4dr

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                            • #15
                              Here is the email the '31 Stude seller sent me back after I asked why he deleted your bid, Better pics, but still no answer why. Seems odd still, details seem odd, although he is willing to use buyer protection, so I dont knw could be legit, Now you got a price he is shooting for anyway.

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                              ReplyReply AllMove...congregation contact...FSG ConductorPT schedule Flag this messageRe: Other: kellymcculley53008 sent a message about StudebakerThursday, December 1, 2011 3:25 PMFrom: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Aaron Morris" <morris.aaron60@yahoo.com>Add sender to ContactsTo: "kellymcculley530@yahoo.com" <kellymcculley530@yahoo.com>
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                              Thank you for your interest in my 1931 Studebaker Model 54 All Steel. The car is located in Clearwater FL. It has all the documents (complete). The reason why I am selling this car is that I was involved in an accident 6 months ago and due to my injuries I will not be able to drive it anymore. I want this transaction to be smooth as I am caught in the middle of some very important events and I don't have much time at my disposal. The car is in perfect condition, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever, no leaks, rust free. 350c.i. 4BBL V8, Automatic Transmission, Front Disc Brakes, Vintage Heat & Air, AM/FM/CD. A great car ready to be yours. It has a clear title.
                              The price is $12,000 including shipping costs anywhere in the continental US. There are no other costs regarding this transaction. Regarding payment I am aware of the eBay's rules and we will use Vehicle Purchase Protection Program which will hold the payment until you receive the car. If you are interested please provide me the following information necessary to make a decision:
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                              -any negative feedback and if so .... for what reason.
                              If I receive the requested information you will be informed by eBay during the next hours with details about your purchase.

                              Thank you,
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