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Most ridiculous thing you'll see all day. Sunbeam towing Avanti.

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  • Guido
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    People can debate this subject all day long, but no words will ever overcome the laws of physics. While some may think it is safe, you would not want to be facing a PI attorney because your bad judgment injured others.

    And yes, I know something about trailers as I have towed thousands of miles and owned everything from a 4'x8' utility trailer up to a 28' dual tandem gooseneck.
    Last edited by Guido; 08-26-2015, 05:39 PM.

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  • SN-60
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    Originally posted by 8E45E View Post
    They always had a Ford engine; the later one being a 289. No Chrysler V8 would fit inside the engine compartment of the Alpine/Tiger body.

    Craig
    I don't know about that Craig...I recently saw a Sunbeam Alpine with a 427 big block Ford shoehorned into it...I doubt if the Chrysler's engine dimensions are any larger....unless you 'got a HEMI'!

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  • rockne10
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    Originally posted by t walgamuth View Post
    There should be a device that is attached to the brake pedal in the tow vehicle which applies the trailer brakes before the tow vehicle brakes every time.
    Tom,
    Tiger Tom, who owned and towed with the Sunbeam Tiger, had his trailer brake control set up on the brake pedal so it did precisely that. I first saw it in action when he used the Tiger to tow a Coupe Express on a trailer from the Lancaster International Meet in 2008.

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  • BobPalma
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    'Looks like one of these will be at the fall 2015 Auburn Auction:

    http://www.auctionsamerica.com/event..._campaign=AF15

    BP

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  • hausdok
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    It's the internet,

    Everybody using it is an authority. Just ask 'em!

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  • t walgamuth
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    There should be a device that is attached to the brake pedal in the tow vehicle which applies the trailer brakes before the tow vehicle brakes every time.

    I once had a pad fall off on my truck while towing my Travel trailer. I used the trailer to do nearly all the braking until I was able to fix the truck brake.

    Handy!

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  • wittsend
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    Originally posted by 2moredoors View Post
    The Sunbeam has the power its used a Ford 260 V8, later a Chrylser V8 (Sunbeam II). I might worry about braking power as the Sunbeam is not very heavy.
    Ahhh, No. The Sunbeam Mark II (1967 only - last year) was powered by the Ford 289 2bbl.. Though Rootes became controlled by Chrysler they never used their own engines. They were too wide and the rear mounted distributor would interfere with the firewall. Having to buy engines from Ford and safety/smog regulations ceased the production of the Tiger. But, yes, and not only the brakes, but the whole car structure itself is not up to the task.

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  • StudeNorm
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    Yup. First time back in a long time and failed to scan the time/date stamps or even check for the second page. My bad.

    My comments stand, though and I think it is still a pertinant subject for people to think over.

    Have a great day everyone.

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  • rockne10
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    Additional FYI; Tom sold his Tiger over a year ago.

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  • mbstude
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    Just an fyi... this thread was active 4 years ago.

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  • StudeNorm
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    OOPS. Missed page 2...

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  • StudeNorm
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    Tom, great reply to all the commentary this photo has drawn. And I can say "now I know the rest of the story".

    I like your solution to controlling the trailer brakes. I run a 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins towing a 10kLb 5th wheel trailer and I have always biased my trailer brakes to apply enough force to 'almost' go into lockup on a gravel surface. This gives me a fair amount of trailer brake on initial application even before the tow vehicle brakes start to apply. A 'seperate' pedal to contol the trailer brakes sound like a catsass solution to this rig jockey. (I once drove professionally many moons ago)

    Like BP says, 'waiting to see that photo'...

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  • t walgamuth
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    A load leveling anti fishtail hitch device also would provide excellent control. The brakes are the most important though and as Tom noted surge brakes are not the answer in a case like this because you cannot activate them separately.

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  • kmac530
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    I am with TT here. This is cool if done correctly.
    For the average person I HIGHLY discourage anything remotely like this. Safe?-marginally. Smart?-unlikely.... BUT...
    The comments that you should not tow anything longer or heavier than the tow vehicle is ridiculous.
    ALL tractor trailer semi's are longer and heavier than the tractor. You can argue all day long that a semi tractor is designed as a tow rig and that a Sunbeam is not. But what makes a Diesel truck safe to tow a 60' trailer? What makes a 12' flatnose Freightliner safe to tow triples 90' long? NOTHING other than power, brakes, and load set up.

    I had a Chevy 2500HD Xcab. The truck was a total of 21' long and weighed in at about 6k. It had a tow rating of 12k. I had a 5th wheel RV that was 28' long and weighed 6500 lbs. Longer and heavier than the truck. pulled it like butter. I also had a boat, 21' boat but with the trailer tongue and swim steps.... it was a total of 24' long and weighed 5.5k. I had a class A license a few years back {let that drop for health reasons} and I would tow BOTH trailers no problem. Yes, at the SAME time. It was legal in Cali and I had even been stopped for a flickering tail light {just a loose trailer light connection} and the doubles, length and weight was never even questioned.

    My total length was under 75' {about 72'} which is Ca MV code and my trailer weight came in right at my 12k rating. Towed like a dream as long as my electric brakes were set up well on the 5th wheel and the boat had hydraulic surge brakes. Towed up and down all kinds of windy steep roads no problem and yes even had to make a few abrupt evasive manuvers without issue.

    Legally, if the car does not have a factory stated tow rating, then there is no law against towing whatever weight you want to, up to the state legal max for your class of license. And that applies to even driving in other states generally speaking. IE if your state has a 15k max load for a class C license, you could legally tow about 12k behind that 3k lb sunbeam.

    Again, smart? Not really and not adviseable. But if the brakes are set up correctly {as it sounds like it is} and the vehicle has enough HP {and it does} and the load is centered correctly on the trailer with the proper balance and tongue weight, and especially if it has a nice load leveler set up with anti sway attachment, and a SMART driver, this is NOT an issue.

    God speed TT. I am behind you and would love to see it on the road sometime, very cool pics.

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  • Dwain G.
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    Had to resurrect this thread so I could tell you a story about the Sunbeam dealer I once worked for. But you'll have to look for it on 'Stove Huggers' under the title of 'Sunbeam Tiger'. Tiger Tom, I think you'll enjoy this.

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