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  • Chris_Dresbach
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    Originally posted by Welcome View Post

    BUT …you do have access to something a 1,000 times better than some old painted paper "paint chip" from a book …you have the Studebaker Engineering "MASTER" (Maui Blue) paint color metal panel right there in the SNM Archives. In the basement in the southwest corner …like you really needed me to tell you where to find all Studebaker Corporation's "MASTER" paint color panels… wink, wink!
    Honestly I didn't know that existed! I have only been on the first floor of the archives building, past that I've never got the chance to dig around like I would like to. Tonight I shot a sample piece of the paint I got and compared it to a well preserved piece of the '53 prototype's body, and it's a spot on match. As for what the heck I'm doing with a can of Maui Blue this early in the game of restoration, I'll post a thread on that later. I've been keeping busy lately with the project...

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  • mmagic
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    I have been surprised at the getting the right paint code questions on the board. Either I have been lucky on colors I've asked for or I have a great supplier who still has the old books or knows the right number to call. Painter Supply has routinely without apology or hesitation just mixed the asked for color. Even though I'm replacing old single stage paint with base clear coat, it's always about 20 minutes and I'm on my way.

    Just don't know how good I have it. Perhaps you can contact Painter's Supply for paint if they'll ship.

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  • Welcome
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    Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach View Post
    >>>but I don't have an original paint chip to compare it to so I'm sighting it off of memory.


    BUT …you do have access to something a 1,000 times better than some old painted paper "paint chip" from a book …you have the Studebaker Engineering "MASTER" (Maui Blue) paint color metal panel right there in the SNM Archives. In the basement in the southwest corner …like you really needed me to tell you where to find all Studebaker Corporation's "MASTER" paint color panels… wink, wink!
    Last edited by Welcome; 02-08-2013, 06:03 PM.

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  • Chris_Dresbach
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    Originally posted by 52 Ragtop View Post
    Try 1-800-dupont, (I think that's the right number) give them the year and original paint code, they should get something in a modern formula for you.

    Jim
    That's what the guy at Ridge paint supply did. Seems like every time I go there, I give them a challenge. (last time I needed paint for a 1970 John Deere patio tractor. Du Pont Centari color that has been obsolete for years but somehow they matched it.) The guy behind the counter called Du Pont and the number they gave him was DS161. I shot a test piece and for what it is it looks just like any Maui Blue car I've looked at in the past, but I don't have an original paint chip to compare it to so I'm sighting it off of memory.

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  • 52 Ragtop
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    Try 1-800-dupont, (I think that's the right number) give them the year and original paint code, they should get something in a modern formula for you.

    Jim

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  • mrjazzmillcreek
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    I have never had much luck in getting samples scanned ,they come up with something close but never right on.I find scanning is a begining and then the paint shop has to do the final mixing by hand in order to get it to a perfect match.

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  • swvalcon
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    Check with your paint supplier. They had a cross for the red on my 64 hawk.

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  • Warren Webb
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    The color formula numbers from years ago aren't really any use now, but the major manufacturers have cross references that show colors that come close but thats about it. As Rockne & Bish have said, having the paint jobber match the color from a good sample is the way to go. This way can be dead nuts on for solid colors, metallics are somewhat of a crap shoot, but alot closer either way than trying to match up a current formula to one the contains no longer existing toners. I have seen color chips that are labeled with the formula number only. They too can be helpful in matching to an old chip page.

    PPG has a cross reference that I tried for my 63 Hawk needing Rose Mist. Their cross ref gave me a VW color that to me, would have been a waste of time & money. I have seen some older Toyotas & Fords that come close but I want a match, not something that looks like it came from a lowline paintshop not known for quality.

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  • Chris_Dresbach
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    I went after a can of Maui Blue today. The most accurate paint code for it is DS161 from Du Pont.

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  • Bish
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    computer match the paint

    Matthew, if you have access to the car, all you need is a 3"x3" square of good paint and any PPG shop (as well as others, I'm sure) can take a computer image and come up with a modern mixture right from the car. I did this on my Melody Blue '48 Land Cruiser and '63 Ermine White Wagonaire and I'll dare anyone to call them "off". On the '48, you couldn't tell, other than shine, old from new. The Wagonaire was a complete repaint. I used a spot of original paint from under the wide Daytona aluminum trim on the side of the car, as paint under the hood or other high heat areas tend to yellow or change somewhat. I even have the formulas saved under my name at the local jobber for future touch ups, etc. Bish

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  • studegary
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    Shasta White is a 1955 Studebaker color. I have used it on 1953s because I like the look of it.
    Ivory Mist, as pictured, or Olympic Gray were the normal light colors for the roof of a 1953.

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  • bison
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    Matthew i know nothing about paint or paint codes but am always willing to learn , so i will be watching this thread with interest as i have a 1950 champion whose original paint is Ojai Green ,( used only on cars manufactured in the Los Angeles plant ) and nearly impossible to find any information about ( although i was lucky enough to come across an original paint chip )

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  • okc63avanti
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    Originally posted by rockne10 View Post
    They want to sell the paint, at premium prices. If your local jobber can cross the code you are set. If not, you need to get a sample scanned or call the duPont folks for a modern equivalent. Still, nice to have the chip sheet references.
    Using the magnifying feature I think (numbers on this page are a little fuzzy) the Ditzler numbers are:
    Ivory Mist DQE-80628-DAL
    Maui Blue DQE-10988-DAL

    Any modern paint shop should be able to look up these numbers and find the formula to custom blend a color that matches. You could always call this website and verify the numbers with them.

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  • rockne10
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    Originally posted by mbstude View Post
    I can't figure this site out. Do they offer formulas, sell the paint, or what? I don't think the old Ditzler number will do anything for the local paint guys.
    They want to sell the paint, at premium prices. If your local jobber can cross the code you are set. If not, you need to get a sample scanned or call the duPont folks for a modern equivalent. Still, nice to have the chip sheet references.
    Last edited by rockne10; 03-27-2011, 07:10 PM.

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  • jclary
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    Back in the early nineties when I wanted to paint my Maui Blue Land Cruiser, no one could give me a modern paint formula for Maui Blue. I wanted to use PPG's Concept Cure plural component paint. The local PPG supplier (no longer in business) had a tech that was good at custom mixing and color matching. Not many have the nerve or are willing to put up with the headaches. He did a great job and no one has ever questioned my paint color. Only my lousy job of applying it. Good luck with your search.

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