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  • 289 Outlaw

    This 51 four door might be a fun car or a pain. Seller calls the engine a 289 Outlaw and says it is now a 340. Too bad there are no pictures of the engine or the interior. He won't get very high bids with so little visual input.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1951-...item4aa7b70efa
    "In the heart of Arkansas."
    Searcy, Arkansas
    1952 Commander 2 door. Really fine 259.
    1952 2R pickup

  • #2
    pretty lame auction, for sure; and on the East coast, you sure would not bid before making a very close examination of the body!
    Barry'd in Studes

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    • #3
      If that IS in fact a Studebaker Engine, it's one radical machine!
      Naturally aspirated with 340 c.i. 11.75 to 1 Compression and over 400 HP?
      Last edited by StudeRich; 01-10-2011, 12:24 PM.
      StudeRich
      Second Generation Stude Driver,
      Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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      • #4
        Originally posted by StudeRich View Post
        If that IS in fact a Studebaker Engine, it's one radical machine!
        Naturally aspirated with 340 c.i. 11.75 to 1 Compression and over 400 HP?
        Now Now Rich...are you daring to tend towards the skeptic side???

        After all...he's from New Jersey!
        John Clary
        Greer, SC

        SDC member since 1975

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        • #5
          I wonder if his "outlaw" Studebaker engine is a Packard engine. Just a thought.
          Joe Roberts
          '61 R1 Champ
          '65 Cruiser
          Eastern North Carolina Chapter

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          • #6
            I sent him a short list of questions, so, hopefully, we should see more info soon.
            I can't see how a Stude guy could build up that radiical an engine in this small world of ours without somebody knowing either him, or that engine...

            Originally posted by JRoberts View Post
            I wonder if his "outlaw" Studebaker engine is a Packard engine. Just a thought.
            HTIH (Hope The Info Helps)

            Jeff


            Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain



            Note: SDC# 070190 (and earlier...)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK View Post
              I sent him a short list of questions, so, hopefully, we should see more info soon.
              I can't see how a Stude guy could build up that radiical an engine in this small world of ours without somebody knowing either him, or that engine...
              Jeff, let us know what the response is. I looked at his eBay feedback and it looks like he is mainly into selling concert and ballgame tickets. I saw little that would indicate that he has much experience in the collector car world.
              John Clary
              Greer, SC

              SDC member since 1975

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              • #8
                I asked for motor photos and more impportant "motor build photos". I'll post 'em if I get 'em.

                Jon Kammer

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jclary View Post
                  Now Now Rich...are you daring to tend towards the skeptic side???

                  After all...he's from New Jersey!
                  What does THAT mean John? Is being from NJ, something like being a Chicago gangster or politician? Lol!
                  StudeRich
                  Second Generation Stude Driver,
                  Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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                  • #10
                    Wouldn't a 57 Packard transmission be a Studebaker transmission?
                    Alex Nelsen, certified Studebaker nut.
                    Driving a 1954 Champion Coupe powered by a Chrysler 383.
                    Lizella, GA

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nelsen Motorsports View Post
                      Wouldn't a 57 Packard transmission be a Studebaker transmission?
                      No, actually a '57 Packard Trans. or a Studebaker Trans. would be a PACKARD Trans! The T-85 H.D. Borg Warner was first used in the Detroit Packards!
                      StudeRich
                      Second Generation Stude Driver,
                      Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by StudeRich View Post
                        No, actually a '57 Packard Trans. or a Studebaker Trans. would be a PACKARD Trans! The T-85 H.D. Borg Warner was first used in the Detroit Packards!
                        Yes, and having a rare-ish T-85 overdrive for this beast is a sign he means business, if he isn't a complete "pete de broue" (My Apple hasn't told me how to do French accents yet so its pronounced pet-aye, not peat) How few T85 were there in the Detroit Packards? How few in the 56-57-58 Golden Hawks? Too bad there aren't more around--would be fun having an Avanti R1 or R2 (or a R1/R2 Lark or GT Hawk) with a 3 overdrive with maybe better range of gears for modern driving rather than the 4 speed--except that it would be hellish trying to find some way to shoehorn it into an Avanti. Have to be some sort of floorshift....

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                        • #13
                          (UPDATE 1/11/2011)

                          I just spoke with the seller, and here's what I jotted down from our conversation.

                          1) He traded a car and some cash for it about a year ago.
                          2) He is unsure of it's 'value', as he does not know Studebaker's.
                          3) His knowledge of the engine came verbally from 'the mechanic' that helped them load it on the roll off truck when it was brought to his place a year ago.
                          4) He said "I might have had smoke blown at me...I don't know"...
                          5) He does not know how to drive a '3 on the tree'.
                          6) He starts it every week, and pulls it outside, and then back inside the garage.
                          7) He said he probably won't get any info from his 'friend', as his 'friend' did not want to have to sell it in the first place.
                          8) He said he did not know the name of the shop that did the machine work.
                          9) He said that anyone can come over and inspect the car in Bridgewater, NJ (Somerset County)
                          10) He asked me what I thought the real 'value' was for a car like this.
                          (He winced a bit when I gave him a number, but I admit I was being a buyer at that part of the conversation.)
                          11) He is going to take a bunch of engine and interior pic's, and e-mail them to me. (as promised to others on Ebay)

                          (opinion) The guy wants to sell the car to get it out of his garage. He said he has no time to play with it.
                          He would probably take a low ball cash offer.
                          I am skeptical about a lot of the spoken numbers on the engine.
                          I am skeptical that an engine that is modified like that would even start easily every weekend, as stated.
                          It could be a real cool deal.....Maybe.
                          Someone should run over and check it out...with a spark plug wrench and a compression gauge
                          Jeff
                          HTIH (Hope The Info Helps)

                          Jeff


                          Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain



                          Note: SDC# 070190 (and earlier...)

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                          • #14
                            And take along a P&G engine displacement checker .
                            Bill H
                            Daytona Beach
                            SDC member since 1970
                            Owner of The Skeeter Hawk .

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                            • #15
                              Not that far a side trip from the casino in Atlantic City, let me know what you find out. It would not be the first car I bought on a side trip.
                              JDP Maryland

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