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  • #16
    That's my DREAM car you're talking about there! (#1 on the list in fact) Only my dream car is Park Green and White.

    Matthew Burnette, the 16 year old Stude nut.
    South Georgia Chapter
    63 Daytona HT (project)
    51 Stude dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
    52 Commander Starliner (basket case)

    MANY more Studes in the family and a few parts cars
    http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstude101
    And here: http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstudepagetwo
    And here too: http://photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

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    • #17
      I saw that car in its most dilapidated state of deterioration and initial stage of restoration. Chuck Baranowsky did a number on that car. Very well done as always. Yee Haa!!!!! jimmijim
      sigpicAnything worth doing deserves your best shot. Do it right the first time. When you're done you will know it. { I'm just the guy who thinks he knows everything, my buddy is the guy who knows everything.} cheers jimmijim*****SDC***** member

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      • #18
        Hey jimmijim, I think you saw that 58 GH I'm talking about in Savannah. I even got to drive it... http://www.studebakerclubs.com/North...kes/sikes.html
        And a few pics of it here: http://community.webshots.com/album/549140675Xzihic

        Matthew Burnette, the 16 year old Stude nut.
        South Georgia Chapter
        63 Daytona HT (project)
        51 Stude dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
        52 Commander Starliner (basket case)

        MANY more Studes in the family and a few parts cars
        http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstude101
        And here: http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstudepagetwo
        And here too: http://photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

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        • #19
          Packebaker, I read your taunt and I was getting my keyboard ready to offer you the use of tazer for some well-needed shock therapy. Then it dawned on me that you were TRYIN' to make folks rise to the bait.[}]

          Miscreant at large.

          1957 Transtar 1/2ton
          1960 Larkvertible V8
          1958 Provincial wagon
          1953 Commander coupe
          1957 President 2-dr
          1955 President State
          1951 Champion Biz cpe
          1963 Daytona project FS
          No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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          • #20
            [quote]Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

            No, really.... Trying to be as unbiased as possible - the 55-6-7 Chevies really had NOTHING over a Stude of the same year..... except price[8] And whether you like it or not, price dominates the bottom line (with a few exceptions, of course).

            Heh - Studebaker knew this or they wouldn't have bothered with the Scotsman series for 57 & 58. And those stripped, basic transport models were a modest success. Alas, I'd bet (I confess, I haven't done any reasearch on it) that the closest comprable Chevy (or Ford) model would have been just a tad nicer in appointments.

            Here's an honest question. Educate me.... why aren't 55-6-7-8-9-etc. Fords as abundant as Chevies of those same years? Why is it an absolute astonishment to see a Mopar car of that era as well?
            There's a little town near here where a pretty, yellow & white 56 Ford sedan sits along the curb alot. It's actually refreshing to see something other than the omni-present Bel-Air on the streets.[xx(]

            Miscreant at large.



            BLASPHEMY, Bob: The mere suggestion that a comparable Chevy or Ford could have had a tad nicer appointments than a Scotsman! How could a real Studebaker man entertain such a horrendous accusation! [}]

            Why are 55-56-57 Chevies more plentiful than Fords or Plymouths? In the first place, the total production for all three years award probably goes to Chevy. Yes, I believe Ford outsold Chevy in MODEL YEARS 1955 and 1957, but Chevy was probably farther enough ahead in 1956 to make up the difference for the three-year totals.

            Second reason was rust and body integrity. [xx(] Like it or not, a Fisher Body really was a better product than either Ford or MoPar of the era. Fords and MoPars had a much higher attrition rate as a result.

            Third: A final factor against Fords were the V-8 engines. The Y-blocks were sturdy enough, but poor oiling on the top end took many to an early grave while the 265/283 Chevys just kept rolling along. The Ford Six was an excellent engine, but "Ford" and "V-8" were so well-linked by the mid 50s that people turned up their noses at Ford sixes. Since Chevy was known for sixes, they were still accepted in the marketplace.

            [To wit: I remember going with my Dad to look at a nice, used 1956 Ford Customline 2-door hardtop in 1959, to possibly buy as a second car. (I was 12 years old at the time.) Dad got there and saw that it was a six [:0] and couldn't believe his eyes and walked as a result.]

            SDCer Bill Pressler was here visiting this week and we got to talking about this very topic. We found to our mutual surprise that we shared the opinion that 1957 Chevys were downright [:0][:0] ugly [:0][:0] compared with their contemporaries! (There, that ought to light up [^] this discussion before Sheriff Shaw pulls the plug on it!) BP

            We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

            Ayn Rand:
            "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."

            G. K. Chesterton: This triangle of truisms, of father, mother, and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilizations which disregard it.

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            • #21
              quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

              Packebaker, I read your taunt and I was getting my keyboard ready to offer you the use of tazer for some well-needed shock therapy. Then it dawned on me that you were TRYIN' to make folks rise to the bait.[}]

              Wasn't really trying to upset anyone--Just trying to divert the thread back away from the topic of Fords and Chevys. [:0]

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              • #22
                I've always wondered how much the name Studebaker hurt sales... I know they had a good rep as a company with a long history- but I mean the name itself. People are influenced by names all the time; names like Bel-Air, Biscayne, Catalina (all names of really nice places!), Fairlane, Impala, Imperial, Mustang all tend to invoke a friendlier, classier, more exciting, or more fun feeling than Dictator, Commander, or even Studebaker! When I was a kid, and Studes were contemporary, they were looked at as "old man" cars... even the flashy Hawks and Avantis, with their cool names, couldn't overcome "Studebaker"... A good example is Camaro; it means "little pal" in Italian- yet is readily accepted as the name of some of the meanest, fastest, sometimes macho cars ever made! (I wonder how many young kids would be "uncomfortable" with the name if they knew that?) I remember the Chrysler Windsors... to this day I picture a big ol' 4 door sedan with a missing hubcap and an old fart with a cigar driving 45 MPH in the passing lane with his blinker on...

                Today, when folks ask me why I love Studes, I could tell them about my soft spot for the old workhorses, or how having had all the Corvettes, Camaros, Mustangs, Chargers, etc. I also appreciate the cars you don't see row after row of at all the car shows... but usually say, "I love them because, what car name is there that's more fun to say than Studebaker?"



                Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)

                http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680

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                • #23
                  I never understood Studebakers use of the name dictator, I guess they liked names that sounded regal or in charge, commander, president, but dictator, I think if I was around when these cars were new, I would have been put off by that name. The other thing is, most dictator's are beautiful cars, but if I had never seen one and just heard the name, that would be enough for me to decide I wasn't going to like the car.

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                  • #24
                    By the way, I think that Chevrolet, even today, is somehow more associated with youth, and that is why they were and are more popular, when I think of the new T bird, which I think is a nice looking new car. I never picture a 20 something driving it, it is always an older person. And the fact that Chevys were cheap and pretty well made cars, with pretty decent engines and a wide availability of parts even now dosen't hurt either. Small block chevys were so mass produced that you can still buy parts at kragen or another oil and spark plug store. My Dad has a 57 chevy pickup, the master cylinder went out, and a remanufactured one is available from kragen, I am not sure, but I doubt they even have a book that covers Dodge or studebaker. I had a 58 chevy and the body was in better original condition than the 59 dodge 58 plymouth and various other studebakers I have had. That dosen't mean that I personally favor Chevys though, in fact I find them kind of boring.

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                    • #25
                      The reason 55 thru 57 Chevys are so popular is because there are just not enough Studebaker coupes to accomodate the masses. How's that sound. Park your Stude coupe next to a 55-6-7 Chevy at a multi-make cruise. You may not get a recognition award, but you're more likely to garner more positive comments from the lookers than the Chebbie. That floats my boat more than any cobbled together odds and ends piece of pot-metal,fake marble or whatever have you piece of memoriabilia. I really like the 58 Impalas. To me that is a classy looking car, right up there with the Stude Coupes. Not meaning to down grade any 55-6-7 Chevy cars. As far as I am concerned most are pretty nice. I have them on my list of '50 CARS I'D LIKE TO OWN. Some where near the bottom 1/3 of the list. jimmijim
                      sigpicAnything worth doing deserves your best shot. Do it right the first time. When you're done you will know it. { I'm just the guy who thinks he knows everything, my buddy is the guy who knows everything.} cheers jimmijim*****SDC***** member

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                      • #26
                        quote:Originally posted by mbstude

                        That's my DREAM car you're talking about there! (#1 on the list in fact) Only my dream car is Park Green and White.

                        Matthew,
                        When I started driving in the early 70's.... I didn't even know what a Studebaker was. Don't recall ever seeing one. In fact, the first one I remember seeing was in the Muppet Movie! I went for the late 60's and very early 70's muscle cars. Same old Goats, Cameros, Chevelles every other kid wanted. I WISH that I could have gotten a clue and bought a few Studes. I'm still trying to figure out how I missed the Hawk. I'd still be driving them. I should have been you 30 years ago.

                        Proud Owner of:
                        The one and only 1963 BEND OVER POOP HAWK
                        And the 1966 Messtang!

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                        • #27
                          I'd like to see an old Camaro show up at a show with a Studebaker R2 setup under the hood for a change. How come we always hear about GM engines in Studebakers, but not the other way around? If they were such an easy swap it should go both ways, shouldn't it? Wouldn't a R2 engine do better than the stock 327 or whatever?

                          Sorry, I know this is off topic.
                          "Madness...is the exception in individuals, but the rule in groups" - Nietzsche.

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                          • #28
                            quote:Originally posted by Scott

                            I'd like to see an old Camaro show up at a show with a Studebaker R2 setup under the hood for a change. How come we always hear about GM engines in Studebakers, but not the other way around? If they were such an easy swap it should go both ways, shouldn't it? Wouldn't a R2 engine do better than the stock 327 or whatever?

                            Sorry, I know this is off topic.
                            I've seen Studebaker V8's showing up in 30's Hot Rods. Pretty cool, especially with a couple of back draft 2 barrels on top []

                            A Chevy swap into a Stude is a fairly easy swap (if you can call any swap "easy") because the Chevy is much smaller dimensionally than the Stude. You'd need a pretty big shoe horn to fit a Stude V8 into a Camaro (the Stude V8 is dimensionally similar to a big block Chevy) In addition, you'd spend several more times the money for a Stude R2 (and all the engineering to get it in the car) than you would for a Chevy crate motor with the same or more HP than the R2. You'd also have a couple of hundred more pounds more on the front end which wouldn't do much for the handling.

                            It would not be a good move from a cost/performance stand point, and it seems that folks that would like to do it out of "spite" come to their senses when they put a pencil to it.

                            Dick Steinkamp
                            Bellingham, WA

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                            • #29
                              About two years ago I had the chance to acquire a 450SL roadster. It was driveable, had a really nice cosmetics about it, inside and out, but the engine had problems. I had this crazy idea about putting a Stude V8 in it - coupled to a 200R4. [] Thankfully, someone else bought it before I saddled myself with another project.[}]

                              Miscreant at large.

                              1957 Transtar 1/2ton
                              1960 Larkvertible V8
                              1958 Provincial wagon
                              1953 Commander coupe
                              1957 President 2-dr
                              1955 President State
                              1951 Champion Biz cpe
                              1963 Daytona project FS
                              No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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                              • #30
                                Well, those are good reasons not to do it! On the other hand, considering some of the absolutely weird hot rods out there and guys with more money than they know what to do with, I'm surprised it hasn't been done - or done more often.

                                Let's see - what other cars would be a good candidate for a Studebaker engine (6 or 8). How about a chamion engine in a Pinto! It would use a lot less oil!
                                "Madness...is the exception in individuals, but the rule in groups" - Nietzsche.

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