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    I think my Ross steering box needs some lube. How do I check for lube level? What kind of lube should I use? The service manual says to use Kendall 400 or Kendall 200. Dont think I would find those now.
    Thanks all[:I]

    John Ratliff

  • #2
    John: There is a small pipe plug on the top surface of the box that is removed with, IIRC, a 3/8" wrench. Remove the pipe plug and the lubricant should be full to the top of the hole.

    Kendall 400 has been NLA for years. From time to time, I and others have endeavored to find a suitable substitute. Many people wind up topping off with 90/140 gear oil, but that is not thick enough.

    A lady in La Mesa CA by the handle 9GWoman has been selling a lubricant in a caulking-style tube that is supposed to be a Kendall 400 equivalent. However, I have never seen the product or been able to take a sample to a lab and have it compared with original Kendall 400 (I've still got two carefully-preserved tubes of real Kendall 400!), so I cannot vouch for her product one way or another. [:I]

    Her website is www.9gwoman.com, if it is still up, on which would be ordering information and specifications. I am not aware of any off-the-shelf product available at your FLAPS (Friendly Local Auto Parts Store) that is a satisfactory replacement for Kendall 400. [V] BP
    We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

    Ayn Rand:
    "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."

    G. K. Chesterton: This triangle of truisms, of father, mother, and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilizations which disregard it.

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    • #3
      John: There is a small pipe plug on the top surface of the box that is removed with, IIRC, a 3/8" wrench. Remove the pipe plug and the lubricant should be full to the top of the hole.

      Kendall 400 has been NLA for years. From time to time, I and others have endeavored to find a suitable substitute. Many people wind up topping off with 90/140 gear oil, but that is not thick enough.

      A lady in La Mesa CA by the handle 9GWoman has been selling a lubricant in a caulking-style tube that is supposed to be a Kendall 400 equivalent. However, I have never seen the product or been able to take a sample to a lab and have it compared with original Kendall 400 (I've still got two carefully-preserved tubes of real Kendall 400!), so I cannot vouch for her product one way or another. [:I]

      Her website is www.9gwoman.com, if it is still up, on which would be ordering information and specifications. I am not aware of any off-the-shelf product available at your FLAPS (Friendly Local Auto Parts Store) that is a satisfactory replacement for Kendall 400. [V] BP
      We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

      Ayn Rand:
      "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."

      G. K. Chesterton: This triangle of truisms, of father, mother, and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilizations which disregard it.

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      • #4
        Bob, Studebaker International sells steering gear lube in a caulk tube also. Do you know anything about that? I bought a tube for my 52 because it is leaking stickey fluid. I also bought a gasket and seal set, but I haven't used them yet.

        Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/

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        • #5
          Bob, Studebaker International sells steering gear lube in a caulk tube also. Do you know anything about that? I bought a tube for my 52 because it is leaking stickey fluid. I also bought a gasket and seal set, but I haven't used them yet.

          Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/

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          • #6
            You're right, Leonard! I'm embarrased to admit that even though I've been out to SI twice in the last month, I keep forgetting to ask Ed about that stuff. I THINK it is the same product as 9GWoman sells, but I'll check with Ed Reynolds next time I see him. My oversight. BP
            We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

            Ayn Rand:
            "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."

            G. K. Chesterton: This triangle of truisms, of father, mother, and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilizations which disregard it.

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            • #7
              You're right, Leonard! I'm embarrased to admit that even though I've been out to SI twice in the last month, I keep forgetting to ask Ed about that stuff. I THINK it is the same product as 9GWoman sells, but I'll check with Ed Reynolds next time I see him. My oversight. BP
              We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

              Ayn Rand:
              "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."

              G. K. Chesterton: This triangle of truisms, of father, mother, and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilizations which disregard it.

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              • #8
                I can't remember who recommended 90-140 gear lube, but thats what I used in my fresh rebuilt box. So far so good.......

                1963 GT Hawk

                Brian K. Curtis

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                • #9
                  I can't remember who recommended 90-140 gear lube, but thats what I used in my fresh rebuilt box. So far so good.......

                  1963 GT Hawk

                  Brian K. Curtis

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                  • #10
                    quote:Originally posted by chocolate turkey

                    I can't remember who recommended 90-140 gear lube, but thats what I used in my fresh rebuilt box. So far so good.......

                    1963 GT Hawk

                    Brian K. Curtis
                    [:0] Not really good, Brian, assuming your Hawk has a Ross Box...which I am sure it does. [V]

                    Best to suck out all the 90/140 you can and replace it with the product Ed Reynolds sells through SI. I am not sure what that product is, [}] but it's got to be closer to Kendall 400 semi-fluid grease than is 90/140 gear lube: 90/l40 just doesn't have the film strength to hold up under the extreme friction in those Ross cam-and-lever steering gears.

                    (I've been trying to figure out for 40 years why Studebaker stayed with those stupid Ross boxes [xx(] in Hawks after the recirculating-ball Saginaw units worked out so well in the 1961 and newer Larks, but I guess it's the same reason they never updated the Hawks to suspended pedals; just not enough sales volume to warrant the engineering changes and costs necessary. The Hawk always was a stepchild...a glamorous one, to be sure, but not the bread-and-butter product.) Bob
                    We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

                    Ayn Rand:
                    "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."

                    G. K. Chesterton: This triangle of truisms, of father, mother, and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilizations which disregard it.

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                    • #11
                      quote:Originally posted by chocolate turkey

                      I can't remember who recommended 90-140 gear lube, but thats what I used in my fresh rebuilt box. So far so good.......

                      1963 GT Hawk

                      Brian K. Curtis
                      [:0] Not really good, Brian, assuming your Hawk has a Ross Box...which I am sure it does. [V]

                      Best to suck out all the 90/140 you can and replace it with the product Ed Reynolds sells through SI. I am not sure what that product is, [}] but it's got to be closer to Kendall 400 semi-fluid grease than is 90/140 gear lube: 90/l40 just doesn't have the film strength to hold up under the extreme friction in those Ross cam-and-lever steering gears.

                      (I've been trying to figure out for 40 years why Studebaker stayed with those stupid Ross boxes [xx(] in Hawks after the recirculating-ball Saginaw units worked out so well in the 1961 and newer Larks, but I guess it's the same reason they never updated the Hawks to suspended pedals; just not enough sales volume to warrant the engineering changes and costs necessary. The Hawk always was a stepchild...a glamorous one, to be sure, but not the bread-and-butter product.) Bob
                      We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

                      Ayn Rand:
                      "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."

                      G. K. Chesterton: This triangle of truisms, of father, mother, and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilizations which disregard it.

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                      • #12


                        "What alot of folks are doing now is draining that oil completely and refilling the steering box with C-V joint grease. This is the stuff used to lubricate the C-V (constant velocity) joints on front-wheel drive cars of today. It's probably superior to the old "Kendall 400" which Studes used for years. And the nice thing is - it won't leak out! Available in ANY auto parts store. Comes in a squeezable tube for easy installation."
                        MR. BIGGS 03/31/05 Thread




                        Dick
                        Mountain Home, AR
                        http://livingintheozarks.com/studebaker.htm

                        Dick
                        Mountain Home, AR
                        http://www.livingintheozarks.com/studebaker2.htm

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                        • #13


                          "What alot of folks are doing now is draining that oil completely and refilling the steering box with C-V joint grease. This is the stuff used to lubricate the C-V (constant velocity) joints on front-wheel drive cars of today. It's probably superior to the old "Kendall 400" which Studes used for years. And the nice thing is - it won't leak out! Available in ANY auto parts store. Comes in a squeezable tube for easy installation."
                          MR. BIGGS 03/31/05 Thread




                          Dick
                          Mountain Home, AR
                          http://livingintheozarks.com/studebaker.htm

                          Dick
                          Mountain Home, AR
                          http://www.livingintheozarks.com/studebaker2.htm

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                          • #14
                            Been using the 9GWoman in my 64 Cruiser, had no problems. Car is a dailey driver.

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                            • #15
                              Been using the 9GWoman in my 64 Cruiser, had no problems. Car is a dailey driver.

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