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  • CKOT
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    hence my suggesstion to look at the link I mentioned earlier in this string. Other clubs seem to manage with a seperate section, for all the right reasons...eficiency, move to the electronic age, etc. I believe their guidelines are that it is not for vendors, but rather for what everyone here is asking for, a place to put an item or two from private parties, etc.

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  • Kdancy
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    When this site first started, I asked about having a Classified add forum and received the same response about how it would affect TW. I just don't buy it. Personally I would rather see all the adds in a classified section, that way everything is organized and with a quick look you can see what is on the market. I like the reguler forums for just what they are, stude discussion and tech issues. This helps prevent any one vendor from just using the regular Stude forum for his or her personal selling shop. We need vendors to keep this expensive "hobby" alive (see Purple Hawk), just open up a Classified adds forum for all of them to have the option to participate in. Figure out a way to identify a "vendor" from just some one having a spare car or parts that want to sell them. There is a place for this, we just need to step into the 21st century.

    53commander HDTP
    53 Champion HDTP
    61 Cursed Purple Hawk
    64 Champ long bed V8
    64 GT

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  • Commander51
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    If JDP is correct and the subject is 'in play', I'd like to put in 2 cents' worth and suggest that we split out the forums into more than two headings. I often enjoy reading topics that have no immediate interest for me, but if there were more headings I could get the more relevant stuff in the limited time I have...

    51 Commander State Sedan

    Kittanning, PA

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  • JDP
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    Slow down a bit, the policy is under reveiw, no need to discuss going anywhere. Evan if private ad's were banned, I'd still hang out here and look for my parts and cars elsewhere. Besides, it's only a matter of time until change will come as the Net grows.

    Studebaker On The Net http://stude.com
    64 GT Hawk
    64 R2 4 speed Challenger
    63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
    63 Daytona Convert.
    53 Street rod

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  • stude53
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    Let's get back on topic.

    No appreciable detraction from Turning Wheels. Perhaps it even encourages Forum readers to also inspect what is available in Turning Wheels classifieds, either online or in print.

    My opinion is that the references and pictures I have seen on this web forum on Studebakers or parts that are for sale elsewhere just increases my interest in Studes in general. It makes me hungry for more, and I frequently go back and reread articles and look at ads in Turning Wheels on model years and types that catch my attention.

    My personal Stude is a modified 1953 Starliner model. Through the forums influence, I have now got a desire to own and restore a Studebaker wagon. And probably will, when I find one I can afford. So the more sources I can find for cars and parts, the better.

    I will forward a copy of this to my SDC reps, along with an admonition to "expand, don't restrict" sources that influence more people to be Stude lovers.

    Regards,
    Bob (stude53)

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  • curt
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    We can always go to http://www.classicar.com They have a studebaker location for chat. I find the no add policy difficult to understand. I bet is new members will come from the internet generation and not the grey headed generation I'm in.

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  • studegary
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    quote:Originally posted by larkvi

    quote:Originally posted by studegary

    quote:Originally posted by larkvi
    As for elected officials, I don't recall ever having been able to vote for anyone on the national level beyond Zone.
    Every two years you get to vote for a Director. The ten Directors run the corporation, elect the Officers, make appointments, hire paid staff, etc.
    Directors are at the Zone level. IMO we should be able to directly elect the Officers. But that's just me; I'm probably drifting OT.

    I do not agree with your statement that "Directors are at the Zone level." Directors represent the SDC members of a Zone (like a Senator represents a geographic area and is elected by the voters of that area), but the Directors are responsible for running the international corporation. They are corporate directors, like for any other corporation. In any corporation that I hold stock in, the stockholders elect the directors and the directors select the Officers that run the corporation's day to day business. By New York State (where SDC is incorporated) not for profit corporate law, the directors are responsible for the corporation. SDC is run in conformance with corporate law and is similar to a republic or the US electoral college where people don't elect their president directly. SDC does not have much latitude in the way that it operates, in this respect, due to the restraints of corporate law. Within the past couple of years, the correct operation of SDC, Inc. was investigated by lawyers, both within SDC and outside paid consultants. Some changes were implemented that brought SDC,Inc. into full compliance.

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  • CKOT
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    I belong to a motocycle club with a similiar forum site. They have specified a specific section for classifieds only. Take a peek if anyone is interested. Seems like a nice compromise to keep "for sale" items out of general discussion or technical areas, but still accessible to those interested looking into them. As a note, it has not become an advertising medium, just another resource for those enthusiasts interested in these bikes (Honda Valkyrie)
    http://www.valkyrie-owners.com/forums/index.php

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  • Scott
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    Well, patience did pay off Tom, and the new website at the museum is vastly better than the old one. I knew they could do it. I'm not always impatient, but for some reason that whole thing really bugged me. I was so excited about the new museum, I got disgusted after being let down so many times when I went to the site to see new and up-to-date pictures of the building progress. That wasn't done too well.

    Actually, I've been pretty happy with the design and function of this site, but considering the topic of keeping up to date and also the issue of ads, I would agree that it's time to take a new look at the SDC site and see where it can be improved.

    In regards, to ads on the site, I don't think it's a bad idea if it can be successfully managed. One thing I like about the printed ads in Turning Wheels is that it's a bit easier to look at old ads for information and amusement than it would be if they were online, since when old ads are deleted online, that's pretty much the end of their existence. The other thing I like about the printed ads is that some (maybe most?) of them are not posted anywhere online and so there might be a good deal there waiting to be found that might be overlooked by others. Who knows?

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  • larkvi
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    quote:Originally posted by studegary

    quote:Originally posted by larkvi
    As for elected officials, I don't recall ever having been able to vote for anyone on the national level beyond Zone.
    Every two years you get to vote for a Director. The ten Directors run the corporation, elect the Officers, make appointments, hire paid staff, etc.
    Directors are at the Zone level. IMO we should be able to directly elect the Officers. But that's just me; I'm probably drifting OT.

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  • Swifster
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    quote:Originally posted by Scott

    It's interesting that when I took the same general attitude to the website at the museum (i.e this is the 21st century and they should be utilizing the web to its fullest), I was blasted big time by Swifster.
    Scott, what I suggested with the museum was that a little patience was in order. The work to get the museum items moved and the doors opened would take presidence over updating the website, not that updating the website didn't need to be done. I would still stand by that. And obviously since then, the museum did update their website. Now if the SDC would just do the same.

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    Tom - Lakeland, FL

    1964 Studebaker Daytona

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  • JBOYLE
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    quote:Originally posted by Skip Lackie


    I am only one member of the board, but I wouldn't want to prohibit the usual give-and-take about parts and vehicles for sale that are one of the staples of the Forum, and I don't think Bob was trying to do that, either. I also have no personal heartburn with references and links to vehicles that are being offered for sale elsewhere on the Web -- no matter who posts them. But crafting language that would permit those kinds of postings while still preventing the Forum from becoming a kind of a no-cost eBay for Stude nuts (and thereby eroding the content of TW) will be difficult. Much will be left to the judgment of the moderator (which proably won't make his job any easier!).

    Skip Lackie
    Board member, Atlantic Zone
    I posted the item about the 55 President for sale at a high-end classic car dealer that few SDC members would normally look at. I wasn't trying to sell the car but I thought SDC members might be interested in seeing it. Who knows, it may have been a former SDC car that someone remembers...and it's fun to see what prices cars are being offered for outside the normal club venues.

    Also, I'd really hate to see the "Save this Stude..." posts go away. If someone knows about a car under dire threat this is a good place to let folks know about it in a timely manner. If all the unrestored cars go to the crusher this club, as we know it, is doomed. After all, Studes aren't like Mustangs or 57 Chevys where you can build one with a catalog and a VISA card.

    Sure, let's keep out the obvious commercials but let's keep an active dialog going even if some posts look like ads.

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  • Scott
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    It's interesting that when I took the same general attitude to the website at the museum (i.e this is the 21st century and they should be utilizing the web to its fullest), I was blasted big time by Swifster.

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  • Swifster
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    Skip, this just goes to what I've said for the past few months. This site needs to be updated to take advantage of other revenues to offset what is a dying medium. The TW magazine is nice, but there is nothing in it that I can not find on the internet as far as resources, and just about every vendor that uses TW has a website.

    I paid my membership dues for the people and club atmospher. If this club is more about TW than anything else, I can save $27.50 a year. 'For Sale' ads that have been listed here will not find there way into TW, but into other websites that don't prohibit or charge for there inclusion. And references to cars listed on Ebay would never have been in TW either. Attempts to limit any of the 'ads' limits what any member will see or be exposed to, not increase it.

    In the past, I've posted links to other sites as examples of forums that thrive and make money from the sale of advertising of different vendors. I've had one webmaster offer assistance if the club made a change (he noticed all the traffic coming from this site). The same could be done here. Would this hurt the advertising revenue in TW? Only from the perspective that it would force TW to give members free ads all the time instead of once a year. I doubt that most vendors would pull advertising out of the magazine because of the fact many members are not computer literate and still do their business the old fashion way. And revenue (and memberships) could be increased by charging for internet forum advertising and making reference materials only available to paid members.

    Again, this isn't 1966, it's 2006. Technology can't be stopped or ignored. I think the board needs to embrace what this forum could really be and dive in with both feet. Newer members are younger and are having the cars passed down to them. And they use the internet.

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    Tom - Lakeland, FL

    1964 Studebaker Daytona

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  • Skip Lackie
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    Two sorta separate points:
    First, as a resident of DC, I probably have a lower opinion of politicians than any of you do. Members of Congress occupy positions that provide great prestige, enormous ego gratification, and an incredible array of perks and other benefits[] without requiring them to "work" more than about 100 days a year. I got elected to the SDC board about a year ago, and so far, I have yet to uncover any benefits.[xx(]

    Second, the debate about advertising on the SDC Website is not really about the income that the ads provide to TW. The real issue is that the board doesn't want to do anything that will reduce the timeliness, usefulness, or quality of the material in TW. A very significant percentage of our membership does not regularly peruse the SDC forum; in fact, for many members, TW is their ONLY contact with SDC. This may be partly a generational issue, but it can also be the result of their job or family situation or personal preferences. We all make choices every day about how to spend our free time -- some would rather not (or cannot) spend it in front of a computer. To the extent that the issue is age-based, it will change, so any decision the board makes must recognize that the policy may have to be revised in the future. But we all pay the same dues, and the rights and interests of those who do not choose to express their views on the Forum are just as important as those (presumably more active) members who do.

    No one knows the degree to which the Web (including eBay) has affected the number of ads in TW, but we probably all agree on which way the curve is trending. Certainly it is affecting the attendance at the large, multi-make old-car flea markets like the ones at Carlisle, Pa. That said, it is also likely that many of the Studebaker vehicles and parts being offered for sale on the Web probably would not have been listed in TW anyway. And (as JDP has pointed out) sales to non-SDC members tend to increase membership, as most new owners find TW to be worth the $27.50 a year, even if they don't participate in SDC events any other way.

    Bob Shaw was doing nothing more than enforcing an existing rule and cannot be faulted for doing so. In fact, I think his approach was both intelligent and carefully crafted. I must admit that I was unaware of the rule, and other board members may be in the same predicament. But I also think that it probably made sense when it was written -- it's just that it may be time to revise it.

    I am only one member of the board, but I wouldn't want to prohibit the usual give-and-take about parts and vehicles for sale that are one of the staples of the Forum, and I don't think Bob was trying to do that, either. I also have no personal heartburn with references and links to vehicles that are being offered for sale elsewhere on the Web -- no matter who posts them. But crafting language that would permit those kinds of postings while still preventing the Forum from becoming a kind of a no-cost eBay for Stude nuts (and thereby eroding the content of TW) will be difficult. Much will be left to the judgment of the moderator (which proably won't make his job any easier!).

    The board will shortly be voting on a new policy WRT advertising in this Forum. I encourage all members to make their views on this matter known to your board member, and the President and VP as well, if you're so inclined. Reading the postings here has been both enlightening and useful for me and presumably for other board members as well. But nothing beats direct input. And if you are dissatisfied with your board member's response, then either vote someone else into office or (better yet) run for the board yourself.

    Skip Lackie
    Board member, Atlantic Zone

    54 3R6 pickup
    59 4E40 flatbed
    64 Daytona hardtop
    74 Avanti II
    plus coupla parts vehicles

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