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  • Clunker Legislation

    This may be one more reason some will 'buy foreign'[}]

    (Read last paragraph to see who is behind it)






    Craig

  • #2
    Usually the clunker laws are aimed a cars 20-30 years old and collector cars like are Studebaker are exempt. They are after the guys driving a $500, 200,000 mile, 1982 brand X as a daily driver.

    64 Commander 2 dr.
    64 Daytona HT
    63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
    63 Avanti R1
    63 Daytona convert
    63 Lark 2 door
    63 Lark 2 door #2
    62 Daytona HT/ 4 speed
    62 Lark 2 door
    62 GT Hawk 4 speed
    60 Lark HT
    60 Hawk
    59 3E truck
    52 Starliner
    51 Commander

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    • #3
      Usually the clunker laws are aimed a cars 20-30 years old and collector cars like are Studebaker are exempt. They are after the guys driving a $500, 200,000 mile, 1982 brand X as a daily driver.

      64 Commander 2 dr.
      64 Daytona HT
      63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
      63 Avanti R1
      63 Daytona convert
      63 Lark 2 door
      63 Lark 2 door #2
      62 Daytona HT/ 4 speed
      62 Lark 2 door
      62 GT Hawk 4 speed
      60 Lark HT
      60 Hawk
      59 3E truck
      52 Starliner
      51 Commander

      JDP Maryland

      Comment


      • #4
        Usually the clunker laws are aimed a cars 20-30 years old and collector cars like are Studebaker are exempt. They are after the guys driving a $500, 200,000 mile, 1982 brand X as a daily driver.

        John - you forgot to add that the US Automakers also feel the need to point the finger somewhere else to deflect attention from what they are doing now!

        Chris Pile
        The Studebaker Special
        Midway Chapter SDC
        The only difference between death and taxes is that death does not grow worse every time Congress convenes. - Will Rogers

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        • #5
          Usually the clunker laws are aimed a cars 20-30 years old and collector cars like are Studebaker are exempt. They are after the guys driving a $500, 200,000 mile, 1982 brand X as a daily driver.

          John - you forgot to add that the US Automakers also feel the need to point the finger somewhere else to deflect attention from what they are doing now!

          Chris Pile
          The Studebaker Special
          Midway Chapter SDC
          The only difference between death and taxes is that death does not grow worse every time Congress convenes. - Will Rogers

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          • #6
            Our Automakers also do so down here GM-Holden; Ford Australia; Mitsubishi Australia; and Toyota Australia.

            As you say the concept is to get potentially dangerous poorly maintained cars off the road, not those collectors of Older Vehicles. I seem to recall one car some years ago where the engine was mounted upon a couple of "House Bricks"

            John Clements
            Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
            Lockleys South Australia
            John Clements
            Christchurch, New Zealand

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            • #7
              Our Automakers also do so down here GM-Holden; Ford Australia; Mitsubishi Australia; and Toyota Australia.

              As you say the concept is to get potentially dangerous poorly maintained cars off the road, not those collectors of Older Vehicles. I seem to recall one car some years ago where the engine was mounted upon a couple of "House Bricks"

              John Clements
              Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
              Lockleys South Australia
              John Clements
              Christchurch, New Zealand

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              • #8
                What a load of bs, how many cars and trucks do you see on the road that are more than 5 years old? 10 percent at the most, in the poorest neighborhoods, but much less everywhere else. What I am getting at here is it isn't the older cars that are causing all the pollution we see, it is the sheer number of cars, most of which are fairly new, that are causing it. Sure, new cars pollute less, but not when billions of them are all running at the same time. Just another meaningless legislation to make people feel like something is being done about the problem.

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                • #9
                  What a load of bs, how many cars and trucks do you see on the road that are more than 5 years old? 10 percent at the most, in the poorest neighborhoods, but much less everywhere else. What I am getting at here is it isn't the older cars that are causing all the pollution we see, it is the sheer number of cars, most of which are fairly new, that are causing it. Sure, new cars pollute less, but not when billions of them are all running at the same time. Just another meaningless legislation to make people feel like something is being done about the problem.

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                  • #10
                    One old out of tune Chevy will out pollute a whole bunch of modern cars. The figure of 37 times more is for fairly new 87 models.

                    64 Commander 2 dr.
                    64 Daytona HT
                    63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
                    63 Avanti R1
                    63 Daytona convert
                    63 Lark 2 door
                    63 Lark 2 door #2
                    62 Daytona HT/ 4 speed
                    62 Lark 2 door
                    62 GT Hawk 4 speed
                    60 Lark HT
                    60 Hawk
                    59 3E truck
                    52 Starliner
                    51 Commander

                    JDP Maryland

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      One old out of tune Chevy will out pollute a whole bunch of modern cars. The figure of 37 times more is for fairly new 87 models.

                      64 Commander 2 dr.
                      64 Daytona HT
                      63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
                      63 Avanti R1
                      63 Daytona convert
                      63 Lark 2 door
                      63 Lark 2 door #2
                      62 Daytona HT/ 4 speed
                      62 Lark 2 door
                      62 GT Hawk 4 speed
                      60 Lark HT
                      60 Hawk
                      59 3E truck
                      52 Starliner
                      51 Commander

                      JDP Maryland

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I remember, in the early 80s, reading automotive magazines editorializing how the "bloated, inefficient cars of the 70s would never be anyone's classics." Now, 20 years later, mags like Hemmings are reporting that '81 Sevilles and '79 Magnums are "tomorrow's classics."

                        Now, it wouldn't seem that a '91 Grand Prix is going to be anyone's fond memory in the future... but history would tend to prove that wrong. If we go around crushing all the 200,000 mile, $500 1984 Cutlasses, where will the parts come from to restore these cars in the future? What if, 20 years ago, someone decided that all those ugly little $300 Larks should just be done away with?

                        I think scrappage bills are short-sighted and will lead to consequences in the future. They're essentially robbing future gearheads of the same pleasures we enjoy - the ability to find and love a car that meant something to us in the past.

                        And by the way, what happens when they run out of '81 Delta 88s to crush? Who will they be looking to pin the blame on for pollution then? Us, that's who. It's a slippery slope, and we can't take it lightly.


                        [img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

                        Clark in San Diego
                        '63 F2/Lark Standard
                        http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

                        Clark in San Diego | '63 Standard (F2) "Barney" | http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

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                        • #13
                          I remember, in the early 80s, reading automotive magazines editorializing how the "bloated, inefficient cars of the 70s would never be anyone's classics." Now, 20 years later, mags like Hemmings are reporting that '81 Sevilles and '79 Magnums are "tomorrow's classics."

                          Now, it wouldn't seem that a '91 Grand Prix is going to be anyone's fond memory in the future... but history would tend to prove that wrong. If we go around crushing all the 200,000 mile, $500 1984 Cutlasses, where will the parts come from to restore these cars in the future? What if, 20 years ago, someone decided that all those ugly little $300 Larks should just be done away with?

                          I think scrappage bills are short-sighted and will lead to consequences in the future. They're essentially robbing future gearheads of the same pleasures we enjoy - the ability to find and love a car that meant something to us in the past.

                          And by the way, what happens when they run out of '81 Delta 88s to crush? Who will they be looking to pin the blame on for pollution then? Us, that's who. It's a slippery slope, and we can't take it lightly.


                          [img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

                          Clark in San Diego
                          '63 F2/Lark Standard
                          http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

                          Clark in San Diego | '63 Standard (F2) "Barney" | http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

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                          • #14
                            They're also forgetting one important element of this idiotic law. All of those "clunkers" are being driven by people who can't afford to either restore their car to a like-new condition, or afford to trade up to a early '90's model. Unless they are willing to foot the bill to replace these vehicles, then it is a discrimatory practice against those who can't afford to drive a new car.

                            The thing to do is to do the research into finding new sources of fuel that don't pollute as much, and possibly can be made feasible by not giving terrorists the equipment to make an H-Bomb, and perhaps even possibly make it so that the older vehicles can run on it somehow.



                            Guard: Where are you going in such a hurry?
                            Gorrak the ranger: Uhhh...Gorrak have quiche in oven!!
                            Guard: well hurry along.

                            1953 Champion 2 door Sedan
                            2006 Chevrolet Cobalt LS Coupe

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                            • #15
                              They're also forgetting one important element of this idiotic law. All of those "clunkers" are being driven by people who can't afford to either restore their car to a like-new condition, or afford to trade up to a early '90's model. Unless they are willing to foot the bill to replace these vehicles, then it is a discrimatory practice against those who can't afford to drive a new car.

                              The thing to do is to do the research into finding new sources of fuel that don't pollute as much, and possibly can be made feasible by not giving terrorists the equipment to make an H-Bomb, and perhaps even possibly make it so that the older vehicles can run on it somehow.



                              Guard: Where are you going in such a hurry?
                              Gorrak the ranger: Uhhh...Gorrak have quiche in oven!!
                              Guard: well hurry along.

                              1953 Champion 2 door Sedan
                              2006 Chevrolet Cobalt LS Coupe

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