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  • Stupid question - hardtop or not?

    I was at a local cruise-in (non-Studebaker) explaining to a newbie the definition of a hardtop. I was feeling all techno-savvy, defining the B and C pillars, being your basic nose-in-the-air know it all, when he asked me "Well is your car a hardtop?" I stopped and probably had a dumb look on my face... I had never really thought about it.

    So... for all you purists - Is a 51 Business Coupe (3-passenger coupe) a hardtop? It definitely does not have a B pillar, and boy does it have a massive C pillar, but are Biz coupes still considered part of that lofty group? Funny, I never asked myself the question after all these years.

    Las Vegas, NV - Stop by, coffee's on!
    '51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434

  • #2
    gotta be a hardtop.


    Drop a brick on the top, the brick stops.

    '50 Champion, 1 family owner

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    • #3
      B pillars, C pillars, XYZ pillars, whatever you want to call them, if the roof is metal and does not fold down, it is a hardtop.

      Chris Dresbach
      Chris Dresbach

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      • #4
        If you roll down the front and back windows and there's no pillar/post between them it's a hardtop. Otherwise it's a sedan....



        1950 Champion 2 Dr. Sedan

        1949 Studebaker 2R5 half ton pickup...

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        • #5
          But, Dave, he has no back windows!!!!!

          '50 Champion, 1 family owner

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          • #6
            quote:Originally posted by 50Champ

            If you roll down the front and back windows and there's no pillar/post between them it's a hardtop. Otherwise it's a sedan....



            1950 Champion 2 Dr. Sedan



            Dont believe you can roll the rear windows down on Pauls Business Coupe Sooo then now what[?]

            Tom

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            • #7
              Not according to the Body Parts Book. Yours is a Q body.

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              • #8
                Thats why its called a coupe



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                • #9
                  Exactly.

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                  • #10
                    It looks like the door on your car has a fixed frame around the window, therefor it can NOT be a hardtop.

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                    • #11
                      If it's not an "open air", "Hardtop Convertible", the original term for Hardtop, since most share the same or similar "no post" windows and doors as a Convertible...

                      It's [u]NOT</u> a Hardtop!

                      Yes there were: 2 door, 4 Door, 2 Door Wagons and 4 Door Wagons that were Hardtops! [:0]

                      StudeRich
                      StudeRich
                      Second Generation Stude Driver,
                      Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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                      • #12
                        I don't have any back windows!!! But I do have a full frame around the door windows... so, is it a hard top or not? No pillar, but then again, there's that frame around the window. So, you can see why I felt dumb the other night (not that I need any particular reason to feel dumb these days).

                        Las Vegas, NV - Stop by, coffee's on!
                        '51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434

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                        • #13
                          In my eyes:
                          Hardtop has rear quarter windows or, in the case of four door hardtops, windows that roll down and no B pillar; no window frame around door(s).
                          '53-'61 C has rear quarter windows that don't roll down and are referred to as coupes; not sedans or hardtops. More to the point, is the C body really a sedan?
                          Business coupe would be a coupe; maybe a sedan; not a hardtop.
                          The terms coupe, sedan, landau, etc. come from the days of the carriage. I don't think there was a carriage referred to as a hardtop.
                          Visions and definitions change.
                          "All attempts to 'rise above the issue' are simply an excuse to avoid it profitably." --Dick Gregory

                          Brad Johnson, SDC since 1975, ASC since 1990
                          Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
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                          • #14
                            quote:Originally posted by Milaca

                            It looks like the door on your car has a fixed frame around the window, therefor it can NOT be a hardtop.
                            Bingo! With a fixed frame around the door(s) it is a COUPE...not a hardtop.

                            Dick Steinkamp
                            Bellingham, WA

                            Dick Steinkamp
                            Bellingham, WA

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                            • #15
                              Thanks. I still feel dumb, but at least I feel dumb and informed...

                              Las Vegas, NV - Stop by, coffee's on!
                              '51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434

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