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  • PlainBrownR2
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    We seem to have some confusion between the alternators.

    The 35 amp Prestolite is the run of the mill alternator everyone has, this is the one the Hawks used for hood clearance.

    The 40 amp Prestolite is the larger desirable alternator. This is that Avanti type of alternator. I know they used the 35 amp alternators due to the space.

    The one I have is a 45 amp Motorola alternator. It has a casing and plugins similar to the 35 amp Prestolite alternator, but is of higher amperage than the 35 and 40 amp brethren. It also uses a transistorized regulator instead of the mechanical regulator. This was the fleet alternator Studebaker provided and that is something that can be hard to find as a complete setup, since it wasn't a regular production alternator. I have the 45 amp Motorola alternator after needless searching, mainly because I got tired of rebuilding the 35 and 40 amp guys. I also have a slightly larger 50 amp alternator from ebay, but have yet to use it(mainly it's a spare in case the 45 amp alternator goes kaplooey). This is also a case, just like the Avanti wheelcovers, where if an individual can provide literature to the judge who has never seen one, that it is highly recommended that they do that so the judge does remove points on a factory piece.

    [IMG=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/55%20Studebaker%20Commander%20Streetrod%20Project/P1010520-1.jpg[/IMG=left]
    [IMG=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Ex%20Studebaker%20Plant%20Locomotive/P1000578-1.jpg[/IMG=right]
    [IMG=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/My%201964%20Studebaker%20Commander%20R2/P1010168.jpg[/IMG=right]

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  • JDP
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    quote:Originally posted by PlainBrownR2

    If it's a Motorola 45 amp alternator, it is playable If the literature can be provided to the judges. This was a fleet option from Studebaker and as we all know, when it came to special orders anything could go. Now if it's a GM 1 wire alternator there might be issues [}]

    [IMG=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/55%20Studebaker%20Commander%20Streetrod%20Project/P1010520-1.jpg[/IMG=left]
    [IMG=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Ex%20Studebaker%20Plant%20Locomotive/P1000578-1.jpg[/IMG=right]
    [IMG=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/My%201964%20Studebaker%20Commander%20R2/P1010168.jpg[/IMG=right]

    The R series larks all came with a 45 amp the Hawk kept the 35 for air cleaner clearance.

    JDP/Maryland

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  • wolfie
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    Thanks all,I agree that its certainly a nice car. I had caught a few of those items mentioned but missed most. This has been a very educational thread. Thanks,Steve

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  • PlainBrownR2
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    If it's a Motorola 45 amp alternator, it is playable If the literature can be provided to the judges. This was a fleet option from Studebaker and as we all know, when it came to special orders anything could go. Now if it's a GM 1 wire alternator there might be issues [}]

    [IMG=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/55%20Studebaker%20Commander%20Streetrod%20Project/P1010520-1.jpg[/IMG=left]
    [IMG=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/Ex%20Studebaker%20Plant%20Locomotive/P1000578-1.jpg[/IMG=right]
    [IMG=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/My%201964%20Studebaker%20Commander%20R2/P1010168.jpg[/IMG=right]

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  • 289cruiser
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    Now here's a guy that is really ASKING FOR IT. Really willing to take constructive criticism.

    GOOD FOR YA!

    LOUIS
    289cruiser

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  • clonelark
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    Well if you had seen the radiator before i cleaned it up would have been points lost for shabby lookin radiator, I knew about the clamps or i would have made some wire ones, (past spring maker). I know about the radiator cap and it will be replaced as soon as i find a nicer one.
    I like the Supercharger polished, looks better to me. R2 letters cost me .89 cents each, I like em, I also drive my Lark everyday, Ask anyone in the local club. they cant even drive thiers to a club meeting. Car will improve every time i decide to work on it.
    Car looks better than when i got it and thats all i care. But please DO pick it apart so i can improve it.

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  • billslark
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    I think it looks great. Nice work Bob.

    Bill

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  • StudeRich
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    FYI, just for Steve (Wolfie) and not modified class cars: this car has the the wrong right oil cap, missing decal on the left, Wrong Throttle return spring, Battery name tags all over the battery need to be stripped and Studebaker Battery decals added (Black Case and Group 24 is as close as afford-ably available), battery cables were Prestolite and Black, Alternator Warning Decal and Caution Fan Decals missing, Air cleaner, Hose and Decal missing, as mentioned: Oil Pan breather missing, fuel filter, fuel return system, 35 AMP Alternator should be 40 AMP dual ear, Rad. Cap, and added R2 markings, very nice looking Rad. top tank but incorrect, needs semi-gloss Black.

    This Commander does look very good [] and reasonably close to correct, but remember you wanted to know what IS correct! [^]
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    You know it occurred to me that I see why some people who shall remain nameless (D.S.) never allow their cars to be judged!
    This could get SOOOooo out of control!

    Lets just say for instance, that I show up at a International Meet with my nicely restored '64 Daytona Hardtop and I enter it for the first time among last years 395-400 point class winners, the judges do 5 or 6 nearly perfect cars and some drivers, they get to mine and I match the quality and originality of the best of them, BUT I show up with original NOS Battery Cables that NO ONE even knows existed, with factory photos to prove it, by rights they should go back and deduct Originality points from every one and give me 400!

    If you think the prior 400 point winners would be pi$@*d you are more than right! [:0]
    I predict, the next year they would exempt battery cables like hose clamps!
    Which is REALLY best for people wanting to preserve the History of Studebaker and what is correct, AND belong to a DRIVERS Club for fun, not knock-down drag out FIGHTS? [:0]
    Sorry, end of rant!

    StudeRich

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  • JDP
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    quote:Originally posted by clonelark

    It's modified, aka Clone

    Got that, just replying to the guy that wanted stock comments.

    JDP/Maryland

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  • Dick Steinkamp
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    quote:Originally posted by 62SY4

    I'd guess polished radiator tank(semi gloss black), incorrect radiator cap(replace with one without a lever), band type hose clamps(wire type). Either way its still a super nice car[8D]
    Hose clamps are OK per page 27 of the Judging Manual...

    "Cooling: Radiator hoses and clamps have been an area of much discussion. Research has determined the currently available radiator hoses are now smaller in diameter than the radiator hoses that were used at the time the Studebaker's were manufactured. This is due to the use of newer materials with thinner sidewalls. As a result, the original hose clamps do not fit the new hoses very well. Therefore, airplane type clamps, also known as worm clamps, are acceptable to use to replace the original type clamps, with no deductions."

    http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com...licyManual.pdf

    I URGE anyone wanting to have their car judged OR if they feel they may be a judge at some point in time to READ the Judging Manual. There is a lot of mis-information out there.

    I judged at our recent zone meet and overheard another judge say that he was going to give a particular car "slack" relative to the competition since it was driven there and not trailered. The manual says this about that...

    "Trailered and driven vehicles are to be judged together by the same standard."

    (page 20)

    DO NOT expect to score highly with a driven car. Ours is a DRIVER'S CLUB, but at the concours the best of the best score highly (and rightfully so). This is almost impossible to do with a driven car.

    Remember also that in the modified classes, ONLY CONDITION is judged. The car with the Armor-All'd tires on the INSIDE and the dust free engine compartment wins. You get NO points for engineering, attractiveness, etc. A lime green 4 door Lark with orange vinyl seats jacked up with 13" wheels can beat all the others IF it is the straightest, shiniest, and cleanest.

    Dick Steinkamp
    Bellingham, WA

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  • JDP
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    quote:Originally posted by 62SY4

    I'd guess polished radiator tank(semi gloss black), incorrect radiator cap(replace with one without a lever), band type hose clamps(wire type). Either way its still a super nice car[8D]

    Jon Krimm
    1962 Lark Sedan

    1961 Champ
    Add wrong 45 amp alternator and missing nut on brace, missing air cleaner and hose to pan breather, wrong fuel filter with missing return line, no caution fan, R2 letters on panel. Not of which hurt in modified class.

    This is a bit closer to stock, but still not 100%

    http://www.stude.com/5151/5151A/R2-1.jpg

    JDP/Maryland

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  • Chris Pile
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    I like it.

    Chris Pile
    Midway Chapter SDC
    The Studebaker Special

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  • clonelark
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    It's modified, aka Clone

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  • Swifster
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    The supercharger should be orange. Still a real nice car as mentioned.

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    Tom - Mulberry, FL

    1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

    1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

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  • 62SY4
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    I'd guess polished radiator tank(semi gloss black), incorrect radiator cap(replace with one without a lever), band type hose clamps(wire type). Either way its still a super nice car[8D]

    Jon Krimm
    1962 Lark Sedan

    1961 Champ

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