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    I'm closing on a house here pretty soon and want to treat myself to an Avanti..besides the obvious price difference, is there any reason I should stay away from 70s Avanti IIs? is their resale value any good? please educate me on Avanti IIs....Rick Stratton....rixrex1@earthlink.net

  • #2
    The Avanti II do not appreciate like the originals and are cheaper to buy. The earlier the better, the late 70's smog motors are not very quick, the later models, before the Chevy frames, used left over, rusted six cylinder frames. As with all Avanti's, check for frame and hog trough rust and buy the best car you can afford. "There is nothing more expensive then a cheap Avanti"


    JDP
    Arnold Md.
    Studebaker On The Net
    http://stude.com
    My Ebay Items
    http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

    64 GT hawk
    64 Commander 2 dr.
    63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
    63 Avanti R1
    63 Daytona convert
    63 Lark 2 door
    63 Lark 2 door #2
    62 Lark 2 door
    60 Hawk
    59 3E truck
    52 Starliner
    51 Commander

    JDP Maryland

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    • #3
      The Avanti II do not appreciate like the originals and are cheaper to buy. The earlier the better, the late 70's smog motors are not very quick, the later models, before the Chevy frames, used left over, rusted six cylinder frames. As with all Avanti's, check for frame and hog trough rust and buy the best car you can afford. "There is nothing more expensive then a cheap Avanti"


      JDP
      Arnold Md.
      Studebaker On The Net
      http://stude.com
      My Ebay Items
      http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

      64 GT hawk
      64 Commander 2 dr.
      63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
      63 Avanti R1
      63 Daytona convert
      63 Lark 2 door
      63 Lark 2 door #2
      62 Lark 2 door
      60 Hawk
      59 3E truck
      52 Starliner
      51 Commander

      JDP Maryland

      Comment


      • #4
        I agree with everything JDP said...though I haven't heard that about 6-cyl frames being used.
        In addition to anemic late 70s smogged engines (some had 305 Taxi engines), it's been said that by the late 70s-early 80s (after the Altman brothers died and before Steve Blake bought the firm in 1982) the build quality had gone down drastically.

        An article by Rob Sass in the November 2006 Sports Car Market magazine, addressed the question by saying the "II"s are not as collectable as the original Studebakers.
        But they can be a good buy. The early Avanti IIs have all the original Studebaker style, but with usually more powerful GM engines and a wider range of interior options. Some have high end (for the time) radios and leather or seude interiors, quality wire wheels and moonroofs. However,as custom ordered cars, some have garish 70's colors and interior trim choices.
        His recommendation: buy an [u]early</u> II (with the 327 or or 350 engine) in great shape. "There's absolutely no harm in shelling out $12,000-$14,000 for a decent one.", he concludes.

        You also might want to pick up a copy of the January 2007 Sports Car Market.
        In it Dave Kinney, a professional auto appraiser and long time Avanti fan/owner, also addresses your question at length. He does have nice things to say about the Blake-era 84 and 85 non-chrome bumper cars.


        63 Avanti R1 2788
        1914 Stutz Bearcat
        (George Barris replica)

        Washington State
        63 Avanti R1 2788
        1914 Stutz Bearcat
        (George Barris replica)

        Washington State

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        • #5
          I agree with everything JDP said...though I haven't heard that about 6-cyl frames being used.
          In addition to anemic late 70s smogged engines (some had 305 Taxi engines), it's been said that by the late 70s-early 80s (after the Altman brothers died and before Steve Blake bought the firm in 1982) the build quality had gone down drastically.

          An article by Rob Sass in the November 2006 Sports Car Market magazine, addressed the question by saying the "II"s are not as collectable as the original Studebakers.
          But they can be a good buy. The early Avanti IIs have all the original Studebaker style, but with usually more powerful GM engines and a wider range of interior options. Some have high end (for the time) radios and leather or seude interiors, quality wire wheels and moonroofs. However,as custom ordered cars, some have garish 70's colors and interior trim choices.
          His recommendation: buy an [u]early</u> II (with the 327 or or 350 engine) in great shape. "There's absolutely no harm in shelling out $12,000-$14,000 for a decent one.", he concludes.

          You also might want to pick up a copy of the January 2007 Sports Car Market.
          In it Dave Kinney, a professional auto appraiser and long time Avanti fan/owner, also addresses your question at length. He does have nice things to say about the Blake-era 84 and 85 non-chrome bumper cars.


          63 Avanti R1 2788
          1914 Stutz Bearcat
          (George Barris replica)

          Washington State
          63 Avanti R1 2788
          1914 Stutz Bearcat
          (George Barris replica)

          Washington State

          Comment


          • #6
            The frames used went something like this.

            Early Avanti II's used the left over Avanti frames, then ragtop frames were used.
            Later cars had a X member welded in sedan V8 frames that has been sitting rusting outside for years.
            The last cars used six cylinder frames that had the rust sand blasted off them and needed frame replacement in 2-3 years of salt belt use.


            JDP
            Arnold Md.
            Studebaker On The Net
            http://stude.com
            My Ebay Items
            http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

            64 GT hawk
            64 Commander 2 dr.
            63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
            63 Avanti R1
            63 Daytona convert
            63 Lark 2 door
            63 Lark 2 door #2
            62 Lark 2 door
            60 Hawk
            59 3E truck
            52 Starliner
            51 Commander

            JDP Maryland

            Comment


            • #7
              The frames used went something like this.

              Early Avanti II's used the left over Avanti frames, then ragtop frames were used.
              Later cars had a X member welded in sedan V8 frames that has been sitting rusting outside for years.
              The last cars used six cylinder frames that had the rust sand blasted off them and needed frame replacement in 2-3 years of salt belt use.


              JDP
              Arnold Md.
              Studebaker On The Net
              http://stude.com
              My Ebay Items
              http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

              64 GT hawk
              64 Commander 2 dr.
              63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
              63 Avanti R1
              63 Daytona convert
              63 Lark 2 door
              63 Lark 2 door #2
              62 Lark 2 door
              60 Hawk
              59 3E truck
              52 Starliner
              51 Commander

              JDP Maryland

              Comment


              • #8
                quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE
                ...You also might want to pick up a copy of the January 2007 Sports Car Market.
                In it Dave Kinney, a professional auto appraiser and long time Avanti fan/owner, also addresses your question at length. He does have nice things to say about the Blake-era 84 and 85 non-chrome bumper cars.
                He should- he owns an '85 convertible and an '85 coupe (since new).

                [img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson
                '53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
                '64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
                '64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
                Museum R-4 engine
                sigpic
                Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia.
                '64 Daytona Wagonaire, '64 Avanti R-1, Museum R-4 engine, '72 Gravely Model 430 with Onan engine

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                • #9
                  quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE
                  ...You also might want to pick up a copy of the January 2007 Sports Car Market.
                  In it Dave Kinney, a professional auto appraiser and long time Avanti fan/owner, also addresses your question at length. He does have nice things to say about the Blake-era 84 and 85 non-chrome bumper cars.
                  He should- he owns an '85 convertible and an '85 coupe (since new).

                  [img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson
                  '53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
                  '64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
                  '64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
                  Museum R-4 engine
                  sigpic
                  Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia.
                  '64 Daytona Wagonaire, '64 Avanti R-1, Museum R-4 engine, '72 Gravely Model 430 with Onan engine

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    quote:Originally posted by 53k

                    quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE
                    ...You also might want to pick up a copy of the January 2007 Sports Car Market.
                    In it Dave Kinney, a professional auto appraiser and long time Avanti fan/owner, also addresses your question at length. He does have nice things to say about the Blake-era 84 and 85 non-chrome bumper cars.
                    He should- he owns an '85 convertible and an '85 coupe (since new).

                    And according to AOAI roster, he also owns the second Avanti built.

                    63 Avanti R1 2788
                    1914 Stutz Bearcat
                    (George Barris replica)

                    Washington State
                    63 Avanti R1 2788
                    1914 Stutz Bearcat
                    (George Barris replica)

                    Washington State

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      quote:Originally posted by 53k

                      quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE
                      ...You also might want to pick up a copy of the January 2007 Sports Car Market.
                      In it Dave Kinney, a professional auto appraiser and long time Avanti fan/owner, also addresses your question at length. He does have nice things to say about the Blake-era 84 and 85 non-chrome bumper cars.
                      He should- he owns an '85 convertible and an '85 coupe (since new).

                      And according to AOAI roster, he also owns the second Avanti built.

                      63 Avanti R1 2788
                      1914 Stutz Bearcat
                      (George Barris replica)

                      Washington State
                      63 Avanti R1 2788
                      1914 Stutz Bearcat
                      (George Barris replica)

                      Washington State

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I own both a 63 Lark V8 (63VJ8) and an 85 Avanti. After reading the post about the frames I measured the frame thickness on both vehicles. Both frames measured .12 in which is consistant with the 11 gage frame in the 63 manual. So much for the lighter 13 or 14 gage frames being used on the later Avanti.

                        34 Studebaker Street Rod (completed)
                        55 Speedster (in work)
                        63 Lark R2 (completed, 63K miles)
                        64 Daytona CNV (completed, 63K miles)
                        64 Avanti R2 (completed)
                        85 Avanti(blackout trim, 10K miles)
                        89 Avanti CNV (19K miles)

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                        • #13
                          I own both a 63 Lark V8 (63VJ8) and an 85 Avanti. After reading the post about the frames I measured the frame thickness on both vehicles. Both frames measured .12 in which is consistant with the 11 gage frame in the 63 manual. So much for the lighter 13 or 14 gage frames being used on the later Avanti.

                          34 Studebaker Street Rod (completed)
                          55 Speedster (in work)
                          63 Lark R2 (completed, 63K miles)
                          64 Daytona CNV (completed, 63K miles)
                          64 Avanti R2 (completed)
                          85 Avanti(blackout trim, 10K miles)
                          89 Avanti CNV (19K miles)

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