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    While doing research last night for the names of former Studebaker subsidiaries, I came across an article in the December 14, 1962 issue of Time magazine. The writer commented that Studebaker's share of the U.S. market had diminished to 1.1% and year over year November sales had dropped 13% leaving it with an annual build rate of 86,000 cars (down from 137,000 in 1959).

    Given that Studebaker was selling approximately 1% of the cars produced for domestic consumption early in the 1963 model year, I am curious as to whether they still constitute 1% of the remaining cars from that model year? Or has our love for them insured a much higher survival rate than for other makes so that they may now comprise 2% or even 5% of all remaining '63's?

    I realize that there is not a scientific way to approach this as even if you could access all DMV records there are still numerous vehicles that have aged out of the databases or are not currently licensed.

    Any thoughts?


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  • #2
    There are always those ads in Hemmings Motor News about "how many are left?" with offers to scan the motor vehicle registry files of all of the states for your specified car model. It would be interesting to see how many Studebakers of all types are actually registered.

    What we don't know is how many exist in "other" conditions. This can range from an operable car registered only in the summer to a decent car undergoing a serious restoration to a decaying wreck in a farm field - and there is no way to tell.

    I'll hazard a guess or two. The SDC membership is about 12,000-13,000. Many of the SDC members have more than one car or truck, though not all of those are registered. There are many Studebakers owned by non-SDC people, whether pristine restorations, daily drivers, or street rods. So, I'll guess that that there are more than 10,000 registered, operating Studebakers, but less than 100,000. Best guess: 30,000-50,000. In addition, all those non-registered, non-operating cars may add another 100,000-200,000 hulks, but how many will ever run again?

    These are wild guesses, but I'd love to see data and hear dissenting opinions. Maybe the Stude museum or SDC should pay to have the search made through the state registries to see how many registered cars and trucks are out there. Good question, Gary!

    [img=left]http://www.studegarage.com/images/gary_ash_m5_sm.jpg[/img=left] Gary Ash
    Dartmouth, Mass.
    '48 M5
    '65 Wagonaire Commander
    '63 Wagonaire Standard
    web site at http://www.studegarage.com
    Gary Ash
    Dartmouth, Mass.

    '32 Indy car replica (in progress)
    ’41 Commander Land Cruiser
    '48 M5
    '65 Wagonaire Commander
    '63 Wagonaire Standard
    web site at http://www.studegarage.com

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    • #3
      There are always those ads in Hemmings Motor News about "how many are left?" with offers to scan the motor vehicle registry files of all of the states for your specified car model. It would be interesting to see how many Studebakers of all types are actually registered.

      What we don't know is how many exist in "other" conditions. This can range from an operable car registered only in the summer to a decent car undergoing a serious restoration to a decaying wreck in a farm field - and there is no way to tell.

      I'll hazard a guess or two. The SDC membership is about 12,000-13,000. Many of the SDC members have more than one car or truck, though not all of those are registered. There are many Studebakers owned by non-SDC people, whether pristine restorations, daily drivers, or street rods. So, I'll guess that that there are more than 10,000 registered, operating Studebakers, but less than 100,000. Best guess: 30,000-50,000. In addition, all those non-registered, non-operating cars may add another 100,000-200,000 hulks, but how many will ever run again?

      These are wild guesses, but I'd love to see data and hear dissenting opinions. Maybe the Stude museum or SDC should pay to have the search made through the state registries to see how many registered cars and trucks are out there. Good question, Gary!

      [img=left]http://www.studegarage.com/images/gary_ash_m5_sm.jpg[/img=left] Gary Ash
      Dartmouth, Mass.
      '48 M5
      '65 Wagonaire Commander
      '63 Wagonaire Standard
      web site at http://www.studegarage.com
      Gary Ash
      Dartmouth, Mass.

      '32 Indy car replica (in progress)
      ’41 Commander Land Cruiser
      '48 M5
      '65 Wagonaire Commander
      '63 Wagonaire Standard
      web site at http://www.studegarage.com

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      • #4
        Well I'm not starting a registry page for all the Studebakers, I'll let someone else have that honor..[)] I do have this idea! I have counted 19 Studebakers in the previous two posts of Gary and Gary "Guido" plus my little Lark that makes twenty Studebakers in existance. Now the next guy can add his or her number of Studebaker they have around there house.

        Total is 20 at my posting.

        We may have to just put how many Studebakers you have around your place and then add them up later. Just a thought.



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        • #5
          Well I'm not starting a registry page for all the Studebakers, I'll let someone else have that honor..[)] I do have this idea! I have counted 19 Studebakers in the previous two posts of Gary and Gary "Guido" plus my little Lark that makes twenty Studebakers in existance. Now the next guy can add his or her number of Studebaker they have around there house.

          Total is 20 at my posting.

          We may have to just put how many Studebakers you have around your place and then add them up later. Just a thought.



          www.AutomotiveHistoryOnline.com

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          • #6
            Ok, well there's three '64 wagons at George King's place in So. Oregon (I donated two). Kent Fedor has a good sized collection in Michigan. He'll have to fill you in as to the exact number. I'd estimate twenty or more. Most of them are hulks though. But he has Sweetie, the '62 four door sedan. Then there's a fella (who's name I can't remember) who has about ten of them in Cottonwood, CA. Mine are two Daytona wagons (the twins[8D]), Frumpy the '52, and two '62 pickups.

            So, that's a total of thirty eight! Oh! Oh! And there's currently thirty one of them currently advertised on e-bay. Do they count?


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            • #7
              Ok, well there's three '64 wagons at George King's place in So. Oregon (I donated two). Kent Fedor has a good sized collection in Michigan. He'll have to fill you in as to the exact number. I'd estimate twenty or more. Most of them are hulks though. But he has Sweetie, the '62 four door sedan. Then there's a fella (who's name I can't remember) who has about ten of them in Cottonwood, CA. Mine are two Daytona wagons (the twins[8D]), Frumpy the '52, and two '62 pickups.

              So, that's a total of thirty eight! Oh! Oh! And there's currently thirty one of them currently advertised on e-bay. Do they count?


              Lotsa Larks!
              K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
              Ron Smith
              Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
              K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
              Ron Smith
              Where the heck is Fawn Lodge, CA?

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              • #8
                I have one![8D]

                GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

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                • #9
                  I have one![8D]

                  GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

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                  • #10
                    I have one and know of three others.

                    Bob Sporner
                    Palm Springs, California

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                    • #11
                      I have one and know of three others.

                      Bob Sporner
                      Palm Springs, California

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                      • #12
                        Eight living with me for the moment! Probably one or two more in parts![}]

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                        1960 Larkvertible V8
                        1958 Provincial wagon
                        1953 Commander coupe

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                        • #13
                          Eight living with me for the moment! Probably one or two more in parts![}]

                          Miscreant adrift in
                          the BerStuda Triangle


                          1957 Transtar 1/2ton
                          1960 Larkvertible V8
                          1958 Provincial wagon
                          1953 Commander coupe

                          No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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                          • #14
                            Judging from registrations at the various international meets I would say a good healthy number of 1960-1966 Studebakers have survived in ratio of their production numbers. I realize what I have just said sounds like describing something as "sorta pregnant" but I would venture to guess there are more Larks running around per percentage originally built than AMC Ramblers and Chrysler compact products, particularly in the 1960-1962 years, but I may be all wet.

                            Studedude1961
                            --1963 Cruiser

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                            • #15
                              Judging from registrations at the various international meets I would say a good healthy number of 1960-1966 Studebakers have survived in ratio of their production numbers. I realize what I have just said sounds like describing something as "sorta pregnant" but I would venture to guess there are more Larks running around per percentage originally built than AMC Ramblers and Chrysler compact products, particularly in the 1960-1962 years, but I may be all wet.

                              Studedude1961
                              --1963 Cruiser

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