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    Russia beat Germany in WW2 because of the lend/lease program from the US (and Studebaker US6 Deuce and a Half trucks). Now Ukraine is getting lend lease from the US. But without Studebaker products, will it be enough?
    Rafe Hollister
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    Originally posted by Rafe Hollister View Post
    Russia beat Germany in WW2 because of the lend/lease program from the US (and Studebaker US6 Deuce and a Half trucks). Now Ukraine is getting lend lease from the US. But without Studebaker products, will it be enough?
    Rafe Hollister
    Soon whatever armaments this country has husbanded away will be no more, expect the CCP to make their move at that time:-(

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    • #3
      Just a historical nitpick. Lend-Lease was a Congressionally authorized program that lent and/or leased equipment to the countries fighting the Axis, but assumed (pretended in some cases) that it would be returned and/or paid for at the end of the War. The aid to Ukraine is considered to be foreign aid. I do not believe there is any belief or requirement that the hardware currently being provided to Ukraine will be returned or paid for.
      Skip Lackie

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      • #4
        Besides helping the Ukrainians bloody the Russian's nose and exposing their military as pretty inept and corrupt (though they do have nukes)...it also gives the Pentagon the ability to update their desired new toys list.
        Poet...Mystic...Soldier of Fortune. As always...self-absorbed, adversarial, cocky and in general a malcontent.

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        • #5
          Perhaps we could help the Ukrainians out by sending them some Wagonaires. A small AAA gun (or other artillery) would fit nicely in the back. After a battle the Wagonaire's roof would be closed and it could sneak off unnoticed.
          --Dwight

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          • #6
            So Studebaker did the trucks,the aircraft engines, the weasel and what other military hardware ?
            As an after thought...how about WW I ?

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            • #7
              There’s an awfully nice fully equipped Army
              contract covered wagon at the Museum?

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              • #8
                Studebaker dedicated all of its production to the war effort. They made 61" 800lb wheels for artillery, 2,741 of them (the odd number is a little weird). 500 water carriages for the British, horse drawn ambulances, 8,000 escort wagons, 10,500 water carts, 380 gun carriages, 800,000 155mm shells.
                But I would like to understand how they could name a car the Dictator in the inter war era... and sell them to anyone other than Hitler?

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                • #9
                  The name Dictator has always been used as a red herring. Studebakers didn't sell because of the emerging competition from the Packard 120, Chrysler and GM. Also exacerbated by Stuebaker's forced receivership in 1933. Few people wanted to be seen driving the product of a looser. If it had been otherwise we would have expected to see an upsurge in sales in 1938, when Studebaker changed the model name to Commander, but it didn't happen. Although Studebaker did move from 13th place in the pecking order in 1937, to 10th place in 1938, the recession made any comparison difficult. All manufactures lost business in 1938, Studebaker just didn't do as poorly as some of the others. I'm not saying that the name change didn't have some effect, just not enough to be a game changer. Any production data using 1939 as a comparison was skewed by the quite popular, new, Champion's emergence.
                  Last edited by Hallabutt; 09-23-2022, 09:16 AM.

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                  • #10
                    I thought we weren't supposed to discuss POLITICS on this forum.
                    Howard - Los Angeles chapter SDC
                    '53 Commander Starliner (Finally running and driving, but still in process)
                    '56 Golden Hawk (3 speed/overdrive, Power steering - Running, but not yet driving)
                    '62 GT Hawk (4 speed, A/C, Power steering - running and DRIVING!)

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                    • GrumpyOne
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                      My take is that is a historical discussion...

                  • #11
                    Originally posted by brngarage View Post
                    I thought we weren't supposed to discuss POLITICS on this forum.
                    Howard,

                    I agree with you that this is a political discussion. The original poster takes sides with or without Studebaker's help. My take, albeit probably not a popular one, is we should stay out of the scrap between Russia and Ukraine. We never learn always getting involved with problems with counties like the war between the countries of Viet Nam. How did that work out? I cannot speak for others, but guys I met were here one day, then gone the next, slogging it out in the MeKong River. My TDY time was to monitor morse code of troop movements. One day or half a day then off somewhere else when things got hot.

                    If anyone wants to stick to the facts, do so. It has been nearly eighty years since Studebaker provided materiel and that is also a fact. History is great but when we start with what if's that cannot be answered there is not much, if any point in that.

                    Bob Miles
                    Human life is precious, let's not waste it needlessly

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                    • #12
                      As long as there are no Conservative vs Liberal views expressed, I think we're OK!
                      StudeRich
                      Second Generation Stude Driver,
                      Proud '54 Starliner Owner
                      SDC Member Since 1967

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by firestoper 25 View Post
                        As an after thought...how about WW I ?
                        Caissons, lorries and ambulances. Spanish -American War as well.

                        Brad Johnson,
                        SDC since 1975, ASC since 1990
                        Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
                        '33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight. '53 Commander Starlight
                        '56 Sky Hawk in process

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                        • #14
                          While most comments are historical in nature, it is best if we close this thread as it going south of the line.
                          sigpicSee you in the future as I write about our past

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