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  • 6 cylinder Avanti

    I probably know the answer... Were there ever any 6 cylinder Avantis?

    (For reference, and I know they are not the same, but when Chevy first introduced the Super Sport it was an option group or package. One could get the S.S. package with any engine or trans. There are some well documented cases of Impala SS's with 6 cylinders and 3 speed trans.)

    Where is the best and easiest to find source of info about Avantis, both Studebaker and later? Thanks.
    Last edited by Frank54; 11-09-2019, 08:03 AM.

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    I have seen a 1964 Impala SS with a 6-cylinder and a rare 4000 RPM tach.

    The factory never experimented with a 6-cylinder Avanti at any given time, before, during , or after its development stages. It was designed to be marketed as a 'specialty' car in the Corvette price category right from the start.

    Craig

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    • #3
      seems like I remember someone had a wrecked Avanti and cobbled it back together using a 6 cyl.

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      • #4
        Well I have seen and knew the builder of, the one and ONLY Custom Built 4 Cyl. Avanti, using Chrysler "K" Car front wheel drive power.
        But of course the Studebaker Factory would never even THINK of ruining a High Performance Car by building them with under-powered Engines!
        StudeRich
        Second Generation Stude Driver,
        Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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        • #5
          There is probably enough room there for a Commander 245 six. I wonder how one would run with a Paxton blower on it? I started my Avanti today, and warmed it up, and moved it a few feet to make room for the Daytona Convertible behind it.
          Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

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          • #6

            There were a couple of 6 cylinder Avantis made of the last ford Mustang based cars. I think at least two came that way. Those would be 2007 models.
            Bez Auto Alchemy
            573-318-8948
            http://bezautoalchemy.com


            "Don't believe every internet quote" Abe Lincoln

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            • #7
              Somebody put a Chrysler Slant 6 in one. Why? Beats me!

              I am kind of surprised that Studebaker didn't lean on their connection with Mercedes on more product. The 220SE engine certainly would have been lighter and near the same power as an R1. On the other hand, it was likely too tall. If laid over like the 300 SL's though, it may have fit.

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              • #8
                Thanks for all responses.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by spokejr View Post
                  I am kind of surprised that Studebaker didn't lean on their connection with Mercedes on more product. The 220SE engine certainly would have been lighter and near the same power as an R1.
                  IIRC, the 1963 Mercedes-Benz 220 SE only developed 134 horsepower versus the 240 horsepower of the R1. I drove M-B back in the day and they were by no means quick feeling. Once up to top speed, they'd hold it forever, but not much acceleration.

                  jack vines

                  PackardV8

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                  • #10
                    I wonder if anyone ever installed one to run a smaller displacement class for land speed records?
                    Andy
                    62 GT

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Andy R. View Post
                      I wonder if anyone ever instI'malled one to run a smaller displacement class for land speed records?
                      I'm not aware of any. If it happened, they probably didn't set any records. While the Avanti styling was swoopy by 1963 standards, the upright windshield results in quite high drag.

                      Those who land speed race Avanti relate it runs into an aero drag wall about 200 MPH. The aero drag is such resistance more horsepower just spins the rear wheels. There have been calculations showing the 1975 Monza

                      or the '80s-'90s Camaros
                      will run 30-50 MPH faster with the same horsepower.

                      jack vines

                      PackardV8

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                      • #12
                        About 20 years ago Bill Cathcart was working with a team that was running a 6 cylinder Avanti at Bonneville. He was supplying the high performance 6 parts for them. I never heard much more about it though.
                        Steve Grant
                        a.k.a. the Madd Doodler
                        www.madddoodler.com
                        Kinzua Region Chapter
                        1881 Grain Wagon
                        1951 Champion Starlight Coupe 1:1 scale model kit
                        1951 Champion business coupe Pro Street (project)
                        1959 Lark 2 dr sdn
                        1963 Avanti R2 4 spd
                        1963 Avanti R2 auto

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PackardV8 View Post
                          IIRC, the 1963 Mercedes-Benz 220 SE only developed 134 horsepower versus the 240 horsepower of the R1. I drove M-B back in the day and they were by no means quick feeling. Once up to top speed, they'd hold it forever, but not much acceleration.

                          jack vines
                          Jack, you caught me sleeping. The 220 SE (fuel injected) was indeed only 134 SAE hp, the later 280 SE was 180 hp and 182 ft lbs SAE. Unfortunately the 280 wasn't available until '68.

                          Ken

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                          • #14
                            The venerable and nearly indestructible Slant six (My dad loved them) is one of the few engines of any cylinder count that might give the Stude v8 a run for its money on dead weight.
                            Diesel loving, autocrossing, Coupe express loving, Grandpa Architect.

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                            • #15
                              "I'm not aware of any. If it happened, they probably didn't set any records. While the Avanti styling was swoopy by 1963 standards, the upright windshield results in quite high drag."

                              I mentioned this to one of the Studebaker stylists at an SDC Int'l meet in South Bend some decades ago and he replied that the Jaguar E-Type windshield was about the same angle. So, maybe the stylists weren't thinking so much about aerodynamic drag (and Bonneville) as they were about styling and packaging. The Avanti's windshield could have been raked back at a bit greater angle without impacting entry or egress, so it's too bad they didn't. Look at modern cars; their windshields are raked back so much that they do impact entry and egress.
                              -Dwight

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