r4 engine color

[nickaboni2]

I had an r4 built for my 51 starlight hot rod. What color should it be painted.[?][?][][]

[JDP]

Red.

JDP/Maryland
"I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."

Thomas Jeffereson

[Allan Songer]

Weren't the R4 blocks blue?

[JDP]

You may be right, Paul Johnson's was blue, but I've seen red too. I wonder if there is a correct answer.

JDP/Maryland
"I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."

Thomas Jeffereson

[53k]

quote:Originally posted by JDP

You may be right, Paul Johnson's was blue, but I've seen red too. I wonder if there is a correct answer.

I don't even know for sure. It's possible that Paxton painted my engine blue for the buyer. I know the Motor Trend (?) article about building a R-4 Daytona mentioned the red engine.[?] There are so few true R-4s that it's hard to compare (Jon Myer told me one time that there were only eight R-4s actually built with "B" serial numbers).



[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine
1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

[DEEPNHOCK]

Blue R4 ...Red R3.... (except where that is reversed[:0] A Stude thing, I suppose)
These are NOS pic's from the SNM a few years ago....
Here are some R3 and R4 pic's
Jeff[8D]
http://rides.webshots.com/album/4845...sdLSe?start=72




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quote:Originally posted by nickaboni2

I had an r4 built for my 51 starlight hot rod. What color should it be painted.[?][?][][]

http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

[JDP]

Yes, that's Paul's R4, but the one in Motor Trend was red, go figure.

JDP/Maryland
"I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."

Thomas Jeffereson

[53k]

quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

[navy][b]Blue R4 ...Red R3.... (except where that is reversed[:0] A Stude thing, I suppose)
These are NOS pic's from the SNM a few years ago....
Here are some R3 and R4 pic's

Wow! Great pix Jeff. When were they taken? Reason I ask is they show the supercharger belts and idler missing- stolen sometime since they were put on exhibit and before Andy Beckman took off the R-4 air filter "for safekeeping". I was also annoyed that the museum took it upon themselves to paint the oil pan black on the R-3 (was originally red).
Ranting on- sometime after I left the engines at SNM the original Paxton crates with built in engine cradles disappeared along with the R-3 air cleaner, air tube and grommet that were with the crates.


[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine
1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

[Guido]

Paul's experience illustrates the fallacy that museums are safe environments. It is sad that valuable items would "disappear" in such a setting, but it happens. Hopefully this is in the past and those that have items on display now will not have such worries.

Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful" and real Studebaker horsepower lives

See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

[DEEPNHOCK]

SNM during the Int'l Meet 2002.
Took a bunch of close up pic's to sort of document what was where, and what the little tags said.
All I can say is I was there with a camera
Jeff[8D]

quote:Originally posted by 53k
Wow! Great pix Jeff. When were they taken?

http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

[studegary]

quote:Originally posted by Guido

Paul's experience illustrates the fallacy that museums are safe environments. It is sad that valuable items would "disappear" in such a setting, but it happens. Hopefully this is in the past and those that have items on display now will not have such worries.

I had an Avanti on loan to the SNM for display that was released to someone else. I didn't even know that it had left the SNM until after the fact. The SNM official involved and the person that took my Avanti are both now deceased. I imagine that things are under much better control at the SNM now than they were a decade ago.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

[HNCadet]

"Ranting on- sometime after I left the engines at SNM the original Paxton crates with built in engine cradles disappeared along with the R-3 air cleaner, air tube and grommet that were with the crates."

I'll join in that rant......I'm still trying to find a replacement for that air cleaner! So far, no luck with that so I went back to the Museum prints to get a copy of that air cleaner and having to have one reproduced. That ain't cheap!!! Oh, and the Fuel pump was also incorrect, that item had been changed out for a cheapo-repo, not original! The R3 did re-dyno in Cali. @ 333HP@ 6k and 332ft/lbs @ 4900...pretty close to advertised! The biggest issue now is to find the right color paint to touch-up the heads, that center exhaust area always burns the paint black!! Any correct color Hi-Temp paints available??

[Dick Steinkamp]

quote:Originally posted by HNCadet
I'm still trying to find a replacement for that air cleaner!

I had heard the early Corvette dual quad engine had the same air cleaner. Not so?

[53k]

quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

quote:Originally posted by HNCadet
I'm still trying to find a replacement for that air cleaner!

I had heard the early Corvette dual quad engine had the same air cleaner. Not so?

The R-4 air cleaner was the same as used by Corvettes. The R-3 was totally different- mounted up front with a tube to the supercharger.


[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine
1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

[Dick Steinkamp]

quote:Originally posted by 53k


The R-4 air cleaner was the same as used by Corvettes. The R-3 was totally different- mounted up front with a tube to the supercharger.

My bad. I was confused (not the first time [B)])