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  • studegary
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    quote:Originally posted by barnlark

    Gary, maybe everyone knows that story, but I sure don't...what the heck?! Did you lose the Avanti completely, was it stolen, or was it an accident and you got it back? Rare R3 and R4 parts missing are bad enough, but a whole car? Ouch. I assume they are deceased of natural causes since you aren't typing in prison?!
    A brief net to this - I had a written loan contract with the SNM. The Avanti went to the Southwest. I am in the Northeast. The SNM is in the Midwest. I decided that I didn't have the time or resources to legally pursue this. I received partial payment for the Avanti (3K mile car) and transfered the title. I just mentally wrote off the rest and moved on.
    Yes, they were both younger than me and both died of natural causes.

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  • barnlark
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    Gary, maybe everyone knows that story, but I sure don't...what the heck?! Did you lose the Avanti completely, was it stolen, or was it an accident and you got it back? Rare R3 and R4 parts missing are bad enough, but a whole car? Ouch. I assume they are deceased of natural causes since you aren't typing in prison?!

    A few years ago something similar happened that I had heard of one day and got involved in finding. A car was given to a car restoration group by a museum to put up in a raffle at an annual auto show. Some cars are given to museums as gifts as we all know and often museums decide that selling them is a better idea than restoring them. Understood...but, this car wasn't theirs to give away or sell. When the family saw the car their father had loaned them up for a raffle at an auto show, they were very upset and pulled the contract out. Sure enough it was for display only and the family had the rights to it. Anyway, the sign on the car at the show had read, "Win this car!"..not a car similar to this in small print, but "this" car. The car had really low mileage and was in excellent condition and people had paid $5.00 a pop for a chance at it to the tune of at least 3000 tickets by then. Instead of admitting and posting the error, someone decided to search the country for an identical car for sale and buy it, but only found one with many more miles and a completely different color, trim package and condition.
    Trouble was no one came forward to claim it right away after the dust settled at the drawing. A person with the same common name on the ticket came forward a while later and actually got the car given to them without a raffle ticket! With luck I tracked the correct family down a month later after looking into it on a tip and THEY had the correct name and the actual winning ticket. Red faced, the group had to go and reclaim the (still wrong) car and finally give it to the proper winner. Fortunately the scammers hadn't sold it or trashed it by then. How does that happen, though? Sadly, everyone is suspicious nowadays and almost expects people to try to get away with most anything. Sadly, trust has to be backed by high tech video instead of a handshake these days.

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  • nels
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    I thought I saw one at SB this year. John Meyer had it on his table.

    As for the R4 color, some were blue some red. I know the two originals I've seen were both blue but the magazine article does mention red.

    As for black oil pans with red blocks, I've seen a lot of those also. I suspect the black pan may have signified engines with standard rods not the R3 special rods. This has been the case with a number of engines I'm familier with.

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  • JDP
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    I saw a NOS R3 air cleaner for sale at York this year. I recall it because of the strange behind grill bracket.

    JDP/Maryland
    "I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."

    Thomas Jeffereson

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  • Dick Steinkamp
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    quote:Originally posted by 53k


    The R-4 air cleaner was the same as used by Corvettes. The R-3 was totally different- mounted up front with a tube to the supercharger.
    My bad. I was confused (not the first time [B)])




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  • 53k
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    quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

    quote:Originally posted by HNCadet
    I'm still trying to find a replacement for that air cleaner!
    I had heard the early Corvette dual quad engine had the same air cleaner. Not so?
    The R-4 air cleaner was the same as used by Corvettes. The R-3 was totally different- mounted up front with a tube to the supercharger.


    [img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
    '53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
    '64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
    '64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
    Museum R-4 engine
    1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
    1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

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  • Dick Steinkamp
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    quote:Originally posted by HNCadet
    I'm still trying to find a replacement for that air cleaner!
    I had heard the early Corvette dual quad engine had the same air cleaner. Not so?




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  • HNCadet
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    "Ranting on- sometime after I left the engines at SNM the original Paxton crates with built in engine cradles disappeared along with the R-3 air cleaner, air tube and grommet that were with the crates."

    I'll join in that rant......I'm still trying to find a replacement for that air cleaner! So far, no luck with that so I went back to the Museum prints to get a copy of that air cleaner and having to have one reproduced. That ain't cheap!!! Oh, and the Fuel pump was also incorrect, that item had been changed out for a cheapo-repo, not original! The R3 did re-dyno in Cali. @ 333HP@ 6k and 332ft/lbs @ 4900...pretty close to advertised! The biggest issue now is to find the right color paint to touch-up the heads, that center exhaust area always burns the paint black!! Any correct color Hi-Temp paints available??

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  • studegary
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    quote:Originally posted by Guido

    Paul's experience illustrates the fallacy that museums are safe environments. It is sad that valuable items would "disappear" in such a setting, but it happens. Hopefully this is in the past and those that have items on display now will not have such worries.
    I had an Avanti on loan to the SNM for display that was released to someone else. I didn't even know that it had left the SNM until after the fact. The SNM official involved and the person that took my Avanti are both now deceased. I imagine that things are under much better control at the SNM now than they were a decade ago.

    Gary L.
    Wappinger, NY

    SDC member since 1968
    Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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  • DEEPNHOCK
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    SNM during the Int'l Meet 2002.
    Took a bunch of close up pic's to sort of document what was where, and what the little tags said.
    All I can say is I was there with a camera
    Jeff[8D]


    quote:Originally posted by 53k
    Wow! Great pix Jeff. When were they taken?
    http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

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  • Guido
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    Paul's experience illustrates the fallacy that museums are safe environments. It is sad that valuable items would "disappear" in such a setting, but it happens. Hopefully this is in the past and those that have items on display now will not have such worries.

    Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful" and real Studebaker horsepower lives

    See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

    Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

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  • 53k
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    quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

    [navy][b]Blue R4 ...Red R3.... (except where that is reversed[:0] A Stude thing, I suppose)
    These are NOS pic's from the SNM a few years ago....
    Here are some R3 and R4 pic's
    Wow! Great pix Jeff. When were they taken? Reason I ask is they show the supercharger belts and idler missing- stolen sometime since they were put on exhibit and before Andy Beckman took off the R-4 air filter "for safekeeping". I was also annoyed that the museum took it upon themselves to paint the oil pan black on the R-3 (was originally red).
    Ranting on- sometime after I left the engines at SNM the original Paxton crates with built in engine cradles disappeared along with the R-3 air cleaner, air tube and grommet that were with the crates.


    [img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
    '53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
    '64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
    '64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
    Museum R-4 engine
    1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
    1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

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  • JDP
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    Yes, that's Paul's R4, but the one in Motor Trend was red, go figure.

    JDP/Maryland
    "I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."

    Thomas Jeffereson

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  • DEEPNHOCK
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    Blue R4 ...Red R3.... (except where that is reversed[:0] A Stude thing, I suppose)
    These are NOS pic's from the SNM a few years ago....
    Here are some R3 and R4 pic's
    Jeff[8D]

    http://rides.webshots.com/album/4845...sdLSe?start=72




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    quote:Originally posted by nickaboni2

    I had an r4 built for my 51 starlight hot rod. What color should it be painted.[?][?][][]
    http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

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  • 53k
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    quote:Originally posted by JDP

    You may be right, Paul Johnson's was blue, but I've seen red too. I wonder if there is a correct answer.
    I don't even know for sure. It's possible that Paxton painted my engine blue for the buyer. I know the Motor Trend (?) article about building a R-4 Daytona mentioned the red engine.[?] There are so few true R-4s that it's hard to compare (Jon Myer told me one time that there were only eight R-4s actually built with "B" serial numbers).



    [img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
    '53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
    '64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
    '64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
    Museum R-4 engine
    1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
    1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

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