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    I had an r4 built for my 51 starlight hot rod. What color should it be painted.[?][?][][]

  • #2
    Red.

    JDP/Maryland
    "I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."

    Thomas Jeffereson
    JDP Maryland

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    • #3
      Weren't the R4 blocks blue?

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      • #4
        You may be right, Paul Johnson's was blue, but I've seen red too. I wonder if there is a correct answer.

        JDP/Maryland
        "I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."

        Thomas Jeffereson
        JDP Maryland

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        • #5
          quote:Originally posted by JDP

          You may be right, Paul Johnson's was blue, but I've seen red too. I wonder if there is a correct answer.
          I don't even know for sure. It's possible that Paxton painted my engine blue for the buyer. I know the Motor Trend (?) article about building a R-4 Daytona mentioned the red engine.[?] There are so few true R-4s that it's hard to compare (Jon Myer told me one time that there were only eight R-4s actually built with "B" serial numbers).



          [img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
          '53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
          '64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
          '64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
          Museum R-4 engine
          1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
          1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)
          Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia.
          '64 Daytona Wagonaire, '64 Avanti R-1, Museum R-4 engine, '72 Gravely Model 430 with Onan engine

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          • #6
            Blue R4 ...Red R3.... (except where that is reversed[:0] A Stude thing, I suppose)
            These are NOS pic's from the SNM a few years ago....
            Here are some R3 and R4 pic's
            Jeff[8D]

            http://rides.webshots.com/album/4845...sdLSe?start=72




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            quote:Originally posted by nickaboni2

            I had an r4 built for my 51 starlight hot rod. What color should it be painted.[?][?][][]
            http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock
            HTIH (Hope The Info Helps)

            Jeff


            Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain



            Note: SDC# 070190 (and earlier...)

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            • #7
              Yes, that's Paul's R4, but the one in Motor Trend was red, go figure.

              JDP/Maryland
              "I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."

              Thomas Jeffereson
              JDP Maryland

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              • #8
                quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

                [navy][b]Blue R4 ...Red R3.... (except where that is reversed[:0] A Stude thing, I suppose)
                These are NOS pic's from the SNM a few years ago....
                Here are some R3 and R4 pic's
                Wow! Great pix Jeff. When were they taken? Reason I ask is they show the supercharger belts and idler missing- stolen sometime since they were put on exhibit and before Andy Beckman took off the R-4 air filter "for safekeeping". I was also annoyed that the museum took it upon themselves to paint the oil pan black on the R-3 (was originally red).
                Ranting on- sometime after I left the engines at SNM the original Paxton crates with built in engine cradles disappeared along with the R-3 air cleaner, air tube and grommet that were with the crates.


                [img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
                '53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
                '64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
                '64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
                Museum R-4 engine
                1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
                1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)
                Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia.
                '64 Daytona Wagonaire, '64 Avanti R-1, Museum R-4 engine, '72 Gravely Model 430 with Onan engine

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                • #9
                  Paul's experience illustrates the fallacy that museums are safe environments. It is sad that valuable items would "disappear" in such a setting, but it happens. Hopefully this is in the past and those that have items on display now will not have such worries.

                  Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful" and real Studebaker horsepower lives

                  See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

                  Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

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                  • #10
                    SNM during the Int'l Meet 2002.
                    Took a bunch of close up pic's to sort of document what was where, and what the little tags said.
                    All I can say is I was there with a camera
                    Jeff[8D]


                    quote:Originally posted by 53k
                    Wow! Great pix Jeff. When were they taken?
                    http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock
                    HTIH (Hope The Info Helps)

                    Jeff


                    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain



                    Note: SDC# 070190 (and earlier...)

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                    • #11
                      quote:Originally posted by Guido

                      Paul's experience illustrates the fallacy that museums are safe environments. It is sad that valuable items would "disappear" in such a setting, but it happens. Hopefully this is in the past and those that have items on display now will not have such worries.
                      I had an Avanti on loan to the SNM for display that was released to someone else. I didn't even know that it had left the SNM until after the fact. The SNM official involved and the person that took my Avanti are both now deceased. I imagine that things are under much better control at the SNM now than they were a decade ago.

                      Gary L.
                      Wappinger, NY

                      SDC member since 1968
                      Studebaker enthusiast much longer
                      Gary L.
                      Wappinger, NY

                      SDC member since 1968
                      Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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                      • #12
                        "Ranting on- sometime after I left the engines at SNM the original Paxton crates with built in engine cradles disappeared along with the R-3 air cleaner, air tube and grommet that were with the crates."

                        I'll join in that rant......I'm still trying to find a replacement for that air cleaner! So far, no luck with that so I went back to the Museum prints to get a copy of that air cleaner and having to have one reproduced. That ain't cheap!!! Oh, and the Fuel pump was also incorrect, that item had been changed out for a cheapo-repo, not original! The R3 did re-dyno in Cali. @ 333HP@ 6k and 332ft/lbs @ 4900...pretty close to advertised! The biggest issue now is to find the right color paint to touch-up the heads, that center exhaust area always burns the paint black!! Any correct color Hi-Temp paints available??

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                        • #13
                          quote:Originally posted by HNCadet
                          I'm still trying to find a replacement for that air cleaner!
                          I had heard the early Corvette dual quad engine had the same air cleaner. Not so?




                          Dick Steinkamp
                          Bellingham, WA

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                          • #14
                            quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

                            quote:Originally posted by HNCadet
                            I'm still trying to find a replacement for that air cleaner!
                            I had heard the early Corvette dual quad engine had the same air cleaner. Not so?
                            The R-4 air cleaner was the same as used by Corvettes. The R-3 was totally different- mounted up front with a tube to the supercharger.


                            [img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
                            '53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
                            '64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
                            '64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
                            Museum R-4 engine
                            1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
                            1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)
                            Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia.
                            '64 Daytona Wagonaire, '64 Avanti R-1, Museum R-4 engine, '72 Gravely Model 430 with Onan engine

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                            • #15
                              quote:Originally posted by 53k


                              The R-4 air cleaner was the same as used by Corvettes. The R-3 was totally different- mounted up front with a tube to the supercharger.
                              My bad. I was confused (not the first time [B)])




                              Dick Steinkamp
                              Bellingham, WA

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