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    I'm looking for some feedback on the Phantom style front end setups. Has anybody installed/driven their offering? Are they still making the front end setups? I'm seriously considering something like that for my '50. I understand that there may be a bump-steer issue with this configuration. Anybody know what vehicle they got the steering rack from?

    Thanks in advance!

    Sonny
    http://RacingStudebakers.com
    Sonny
    http://RacingStudebakers.com

  • #2
    Hey Sonny. I do not have any first hand driving experience with the Phantom setup (and prob never will), however having owned and installed two -I can tell you that it uses a new Flaming Rivers Omni-Steer R&P. Many have suggested bump-steer issues. If I recall, the kit was originally designed by a Nascar engineer -so you'd think he had done it right. One person who has a clear understanding of bump-steer has reported that he is very happy with his conversion on his '64 Lark Type. He reports little to no bump-steer as claimed in the products brochure.

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    • #3
      I do not have first hand experience, but I have some general comments. The Phantom setup apperars to be a tubular copy of the original A arms, with ball joints. I'm going to pick up an extra set of Stude Arms and experiment with doing a ball joint conversion. (It was successful on my 41 Pontiac, but the stude is slightly different).
      Geometry will be unchanged and those original arms are beefy. Also know where to get the inner bushing when I need them again. IMO the biggest advantage in the upgrade is to design in some anti dive and positive caster.
      As for the R&P, bump steer issue. Without getting to technical, you can't eliminate bumpsteer when the tie rods are shorter than the lower A frames. So that is a problem on all "end" take off units (stude tie rods nearly touch in the middle).
      88-92 Cavalier, sunbird, etc. have a "center takeoff" setup. You can fabricate a bracket to use the original stude steering arms. If you duplicate the pivot points you will have no bump steer (or the same bump steer it had from the factory.) On a related note, the rack doesn't have as much travel as a recirculating ball. Their steering arms were shorter to match the travel. So depending on what spindles you use, plan on finding/creating shorter steering arms or suffering a huge turning radius. I put a power rack in my 41 Pontiac, 3600 pounds, and your grandma can drive it. May try a manual in my 53 Stude.

      San antonio TX. 53 Champion Coupe, to be brought back from the dead.
      "Of course it will fit, I have a torch"

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      • #4
        There is a guy in our chapter, Herman Gantt, who says he helped design the Phantom kit. I will email you his phone number. He doesn't have email.

        He has it in his 53 Studebaker.

        Leonard Shepherd
        http://leonardshepherd.com/

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        • #5
          May be a minor point but I thought that 1950 suspensions were different from 1951 and later. So the phantom set up may not bolt on without modifications and then who knows how it will work?

          Ken

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          • #6
            Hi, Sonny,

            FWIW, Rene sold Phantom. His suspension company is now known as Slick Street Stuff, 309 E. Anderson Ave, Knoxville, TN 37917, 865-525-6151, slickstreetstuff@bellsouth.net

            Current list price is $2,250.00, fits '51 and up.

            thnx, jack vines

            PackardV8
            PackardV8

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            • #7
              quote:Originally posted by Sonny

              I'm looking for some feedback on the Phantom style front end setups. Has anybody installed/driven their offering? Are they still making the front end setups? I'm seriously considering something like that for my '50. I understand that there may be a bump-steer issue with this configuration. Anybody know what vehicle they got the steering rack from?
              Sonny,
              Pat Drnec (used to post to the NG a lot) had less than satisfactory experience with the set he bought (may have been more a Rene problem than hardware).


              [img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
              '53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
              '64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
              '64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
              Museum R-4 engine
              1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
              1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)
              Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia.
              '64 Daytona Wagonaire, '64 Avanti R-1, Museum R-4 engine, '72 Gravely Model 430 with Onan engine

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              • #8
                There's a guy in our Delmarva chapter who installed the front end on his 63 GT. He has had a very unsatisfactory experience with both the hardware and the owner.

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                • #9
                  Thanks a MILLION for ALL the great feedback fellas! I'm forced into the rack because of clearance issues when a Stude V8 replaces the little 6 in a '50 Champion. I particularly like the Phantom rack mount. Man-o-man would it be nice to talk with the guy who designed it! [8D] Can't thank ya enough for THAT one Leonard!

                  Yes, the '50 Champion has a steering setup like no other Studebaker, so adaption is THE key word concerning any changes. I plan to keep the tough, old Stude upper/lower control arm system. As oldguy829, (thanks for addressing the bump steer) and Will have suggested, I've already been looking hard at the "center steer" racks. Since I work in a junk yard, I can pick and choose pretty easily. I'll report back to this forum when/if I hit the right combination.

                  Thanks again for all the feedback guys!!!

                  (Note to self - Refrain from paying $2,250.00 for Phantom system! Whew![:0])

                  Sonny
                  http://RacingStudebakers.com
                  Sonny
                  http://RacingStudebakers.com

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