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  • Studebaker Wisdom in the June 2008 HMN

    From the RM/Scottsdale Auction Report in the June 2008 Hemmings Motor News comes the following enlightenment.

    The red 1958 Packard Hawk that sold for a whopping $74,250 in January was described as a #2/Restored Car.

    The text accompanying the write-up about this car concluded thus: "These ugly ducklings have long been shunned by Packard and Studebaker collectors alike, so the enthusiastic bidding here was something of a surprise."

    You learn the darndest "facts" [:0] when you read the general collector-car press! BP
    We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

    Ayn Rand:
    "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."

    G. K. Chesterton: This triangle of truisms, of father, mother, and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilizations which disregard it.

  • #2
    IF they did any research this time, they obviously got some "expert" advice. Probably consulted some Packard type with a couple of grand 20s-30s Phaetons![}] Those with a huge Straight[8]

    Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

    1957 Transtar 1/2ton
    1960 Larkvertible V8
    1958 Provincial wagon
    1953 Commander coupe
    1957 President two door

    No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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    • #3
      Well, Bobs, if I had two or three of those under my roof, I'd probably find some snide remark to make about the '58 PH. In the company I keep, having a '53 Coupe can be construed as ostentatious

      Brad Johnson
      Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
      '33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight
      "All attempts to 'rise above the issue' are simply an excuse to avoid it profitably." --Dick Gregory

      Brad Johnson, SDC since 1975, ASC since 1990
      Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
      sigpic'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight "Désirée"

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      • #4
        I don't mean to defend the accuracy of the "collector-car press," as BP stated with this post at all, but if one of them happened upon our various forums during the course of the year and perused some of the comments about a Packard Hawk, or any model of Studebaker really, they might find us agreeing to disagree on what models are appreciated the most. I could see how one little negative comment in a thread about a certain car's looks could be used out of context in an article like that, even though fifty of us there may really like the model and year of that car. Some people love them and some would never even think about ever owning one fairly often in discussions. People's tastes are very diverse, even though nobody disrespects other owner's cars outright here.

        Maybe the author simply had their own opinion and lumped Studebaker and Packard owners in to qualify a bias, I'm not sure. I will agree on this: "something of a surprise" for the bidding. Wow!

        I personally have never owned a Packard Hawk, but I have seen some seriously beautiful examples pictured here and I think they are pretty cool and are fairly rare cars to find and own. I wouldn't want to speak for anyone but myself, but I may "shun" the $74,250 price tag for a #2 PH. However, if a new owner loves that car and thinks it's worth it, who am I to shun anything? All S-P owners should be as happy as that buyer apparently was. My guess is the seller, too. Great for all of our values, I hope.

        Who knows who their source was, but obviously not all the "collectors" shunned that one...

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        • #5
          As one of the proud owners of a 58 PH , don't knock the styling till you own one.. Compared to the metal hulks of GM & Ford in the 50's, these SP's were way ahead of their time in styling & designing.

          Remember the "European" look of the 50's Studebakers. Only now is GM, Ford & Chrysler following & modeling some of their cars based on European cars.

          Besides, when you look at the smiling grin of a Packard Hawk, you can only smile back & wish you owned one.




          New Jersey & Studes Perfect Together

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          • #6
            quote: Besides, when you look at the smiling grin of a Packard Hawk, you can only smile back & wish you owned one.
            Amen! I have never understood the dislike of the looks of Packard Hawks. I think they are a wonderful design.

            Joe Roberts
            '61 R1 Champ
            '65 Cruiser
            Editor of "The Down Easterner"
            Eastern North Carolina Chapter
            Joe Roberts
            '61 R1 Champ
            '65 Cruiser
            Eastern North Carolina Chapter

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            • #7
              Bob, I also read that statement yesterday as my Sister and Brother-In-Law were present at that sale when the car was hammered sold. They of course were flattered with the sale as they have one PH that has been in our family for about 25-40 years and soon will be completely restored. As we all know, there is a "TOO Each His OWN" philosophy when it comes to what we like with antique vehicles. I personally enjoy seeing these cars at major Concours Events because they always evoke much conversation. It is very interesting that the latest display set to open in the AACA Museum on 05/10/08 has chosen to feature a 1958 Packard Hawk as its poster child for their FINS Exhibit. Come see it as the car is there just like my 61 P/U was for the Pickup exhibit.
              sigpicSee you in the future as I write about our past

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              • #8
                Boy, I do wonder how many Packard Hawks are extant.

                The survival number in any condition has got to be unusually high...but then, it often is for cars that were expensive when new. Those original owners tended to give them an easier life and better-than-average care and feeding for at least the first [original-owner] period of ownership.

                Personally, I've always liked Packard Hawks...and can't recall when they have ever "long been shunned" by anyone, for that matter. This "report" is probably another case of what an under-informed writer thought might be conventional wisdom.[xx(] BP
                We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

                Ayn Rand:
                "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."

                G. K. Chesterton: This triangle of truisms, of father, mother, and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only destroy those civilizations which disregard it.

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                • #9
                  Every time I've seen a Packard Hawk, I've been amazed at how much Stude designers could do with such a limited budget. They proved it time and time again over the difficult years.
                  Rog

                  '59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop
                  '59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop
                  Smithtown,NY
                  Recording Secretary, Long Island Studebaker Club

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                  • #10
                    I maintain the roster of surviving Packard Hawks. I currently have 249 listed as still surviving. These range from beautifully restored cars, probably less than 75 to bucket cases that will take a lot of love to bring back. Most fall somewhere between these extremes. I would guess that 249, and this is no doubt not all, of 588 built is a fantastic survival rate. I am unsure if any other S/P product equals this.

                    If you have one of these cars and I don't have it listed, please consider contacting me at www.packardhawk.com and letting me include it with the rest.

                    I actually set out to obtain a Packard Hawk and I do have other cars but I have to admit the Hawk is my favorite.
                    The car that sold at auction has an R2 engine and is not painted an original Packard Hawk color. So I would question the #2 classification. However, it is a beautiful auto. Just not original.




                    Mike
                    www.packardhawk.com

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                    • #11
                      I like the look...I'd love one and/or a 57 Golden Hawk.
                      The main point that some don't like is its "trout pout" (long before Meg Ryan's) but if you look, it was not alone with that feature. The English Daimler Dart limited production sportscar had a similar look a couple of years later.

                      It's good to hear of their high survival rate (42.3%)...there are even two known in the U.K.
                      The only other Studebaker with a comparable survival rate [u]might</u> be 63-64 Avantis.

                      63 Avanti R1 2788
                      1914 Stutz Bearcat
                      (George Barris replica)

                      Washington State
                      63 Avanti R1 2788
                      1914 Stutz Bearcat
                      (George Barris replica)

                      Washington State

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                      • #12
                        All posts appreciated.
                        I saw a gorgeous solid black K9 at the recent Tulsa Zone meet which had just been completed by Greg Ciuba of Wichita Falls, TX. It is probably the nicest I have ever seen. He owns a body shop and he really got the body work straight before applying the black paint. Even so, he did not get first place as competition there was very strong. The car I am working is owned by a collector who is considering doing his in black rather than the jewel beige it came with and I am araid Greg's car will make his mind up for him.

                        Barry'd in Studes
                        Barry'd in Studes

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                        • #13
                          I'm in the PH register and I own a nice white Packard Hawk too.

                          ALL persons think it looks very NEAT. Add in the leather seats, the supercharged engine, the armrest pads and the golden fins and you have a real head turner.

                          I just wish that people wouldn't touch the gold foil on the fins all the time - they seem to have some built-in hand magnets.

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                          • #14
                            Aa year or so ago my son emailed me some pictures of a PH that was in dry storeage in Houston. It looked factory new.
                            Allen

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                            • #15
                              In the 70s - when I worked in the resto/investment place where we sold Mercedes 500/540Ks, Duesenbergs, Bugattis and the like, the other folks working there snickered and teased me about my "beer" diet of lowly Studebakers while I was daily immersed in the "champagne" of automobiles (we sold new Aston Martins too!). But I didn't let it deter me at all! I was SO PROUD when I first hauled my 58 Packard wagon into our shop one weekend to work on it. OH - the disparaging remarks from the others there![}] Didn't care then - don't care now.[^]

                              Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

                              1957 Transtar 1/2ton
                              1960 Larkvertible V8
                              1958 Provincial wagon
                              1953 Commander coupe
                              1957 President two door

                              No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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