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  • fstst56
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    I remember the Hawk with the rumble seat, but that has been many moons ago. I believe it was a custom job done outside South Bend. Ther should be a story on it way back in Turning Wheels. I don't know if it would show up in the index or not. Maybe Fred Fox could help locating it.

    Bob Palma, My Granpa went to a Ford dealer in 1964 to look at a 4-door fairlane. While he and the salesman were standing there looking at it, it started to rain. All 4 doors were locked. Next to it was a 2-door Fairlane 500. White with a black vinyl top, wire hubcaps, buckskin bucket seat interior with factory 4-speed. Grandpa came home with that car. I was hoping that would be my 1st car but he traded it off about 4 years before I got my license, so my Dad gave me his '61 Robin Egg Blue Lark 2-door hardtop, V-8 and automatic. And the rest, as they say, is history. (Sure would like to have both those cars yet today)

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  • fstst56
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    I remember the Hawk with the rumble seat, but that has been many moons ago. I believe it was a custom job done outside South Bend. Ther should be a story on it way back in Turning Wheels. I don't know if it would show up in the index or not. Maybe Fred Fox could help locating it.

    Bob Palma, My Granpa went to a Ford dealer in 1964 to look at a 4-door fairlane. While he and the salesman were standing there looking at it, it started to rain. All 4 doors were locked. Next to it was a 2-door Fairlane 500. White with a black vinyl top, wire hubcaps, buckskin bucket seat interior with factory 4-speed. Grandpa came home with that car. I was hoping that would be my 1st car but he traded it off about 4 years before I got my license, so my Dad gave me his '61 Robin Egg Blue Lark 2-door hardtop, V-8 and automatic. And the rest, as they say, is history. (Sure would like to have both those cars yet today)

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  • 61hawk
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    This discussion brings up a question... I remember seeing a finned Hawk with a jump seat in the trunk. Was this a true Studebaker option or something a dealer or custom shop did for a customer?

    Lee

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  • 61hawk
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    This discussion brings up a question... I remember seeing a finned Hawk with a jump seat in the trunk. Was this a true Studebaker option or something a dealer or custom shop did for a customer?

    Lee

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  • BobPalma
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    quote:Originally posted by fstst56

    Bob Palma, did that Hawk come from the factory with the leather interior or was it installed by an outside source before it was delivered to the customer?
    Johnnie: That's a good question! My Dad swears they had to run the car somewhere outside South Bend to have the leather installed on the seats before it got to Paris, and the car's build order has the most complicated set of production-line jibberish I've ever seen on a Production Order...and I've reviewed thousands of them!

    For TRIM, that line on the Build Order says:

    T Special (see below)

    Then, the following notations are typed all over the bottom of the production order:

    USE TRIM 8445 WRD 347 EXCEPT FOR THE FOLLOWING:
    1A: Use 1313010-RRD in place of 1313010-OFW
    1B: Use 1313010-RRD in place of 1313010-CHB
    4A: Use 1313011-RRD in place of 1313011-OFW
    26 Use new Rear Seat Back Shelf Cover & Ext Assy 1313419x6 Romany Red color-supplied by Engineering.
    Use matching color Rear Seat Back Shelf Cover Fast 306331x23 supplied by Eng.
    NOTE: Use matching color---------------------1742x65 Romany Red thread.
    Service For Wholesale Delivery


    Now, Johnnie, if you can figure out all that, you're better than anyone who has yet taken a stab at it! I simply don't know what all those internal trim codes and parts refer to. I'm of the opinion (just an opinion, you understand) that the car may have left the factory with the interior all done except leather on the actual seats themselves, and that the leather on the seats was installed nearby, possibly at an outside trim shop contracted by Studebaker.

    That sounds weird, but Dad has repeatedly said the car was a further pain in the a** because "we had to run it all over, getting those leather seats put in it."

    I do know that when it arrived at Palma-Rhoads Motors in Paris IL, the leather interior was entirely in place. How do I know that? Because, even though I was only ten years old, I distinctly remember that car being at the dealership when it was brand new, just before delivery! I hung around "the shop" a lot, and remember sitting in the car, smelling the new leather, before it was delivered to lawyer Riley McClain of Metcalfe IL on March 31, 1956...which also happened to be my mother's 39th birthday!

    It was easily the most distinctive and unique car my father ever sold new during 1953-1956 at new-car dealerships in Paris. (Later, he and Uncle Milt bought the Ford/Mercury dealership in Ottawa IL in late spring 1964. One of the cars in stock they got stuck with was a huge, salmon-colored 1964 Mercury Park Lane convertible with white top and interior...and a 4-speed! Someone had ordered the big Mercury and then didn't take delivery for whatever reason, so they had to take it as part of the new-car inventory when they bought the place. They ultimately sold that Mercury at considerable loss well into the 1965 model year. In fairness, that Mercury was probably as unique as was this Cambridge Grey 1956 Golden Hawk.) BP



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  • BobPalma
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    quote:Originally posted by fstst56

    Bob Palma, did that Hawk come from the factory with the leather interior or was it installed by an outside source before it was delivered to the customer?
    Johnnie: That's a good question! My Dad swears they had to run the car somewhere outside South Bend to have the leather installed on the seats before it got to Paris, and the car's build order has the most complicated set of production-line jibberish I've ever seen on a Production Order...and I've reviewed thousands of them!

    For TRIM, that line on the Build Order says:

    T Special (see below)

    Then, the following notations are typed all over the bottom of the production order:

    USE TRIM 8445 WRD 347 EXCEPT FOR THE FOLLOWING:
    1A: Use 1313010-RRD in place of 1313010-OFW
    1B: Use 1313010-RRD in place of 1313010-CHB
    4A: Use 1313011-RRD in place of 1313011-OFW
    26 Use new Rear Seat Back Shelf Cover & Ext Assy 1313419x6 Romany Red color-supplied by Engineering.
    Use matching color Rear Seat Back Shelf Cover Fast 306331x23 supplied by Eng.
    NOTE: Use matching color---------------------1742x65 Romany Red thread.
    Service For Wholesale Delivery


    Now, Johnnie, if you can figure out all that, you're better than anyone who has yet taken a stab at it! I simply don't know what all those internal trim codes and parts refer to. I'm of the opinion (just an opinion, you understand) that the car may have left the factory with the interior all done except leather on the actual seats themselves, and that the leather on the seats was installed nearby, possibly at an outside trim shop contracted by Studebaker.

    That sounds weird, but Dad has repeatedly said the car was a further pain in the a** because "we had to run it all over, getting those leather seats put in it."

    I do know that when it arrived at Palma-Rhoads Motors in Paris IL, the leather interior was entirely in place. How do I know that? Because, even though I was only ten years old, I distinctly remember that car being at the dealership when it was brand new, just before delivery! I hung around "the shop" a lot, and remember sitting in the car, smelling the new leather, before it was delivered to lawyer Riley McClain of Metcalfe IL on March 31, 1956...which also happened to be my mother's 39th birthday!

    It was easily the most distinctive and unique car my father ever sold new during 1953-1956 at new-car dealerships in Paris. (Later, he and Uncle Milt bought the Ford/Mercury dealership in Ottawa IL in late spring 1964. One of the cars in stock they got stuck with was a huge, salmon-colored 1964 Mercury Park Lane convertible with white top and interior...and a 4-speed! Someone had ordered the big Mercury and then didn't take delivery for whatever reason, so they had to take it as part of the new-car inventory when they bought the place. They ultimately sold that Mercury at considerable loss well into the 1965 model year. In fairness, that Mercury was probably as unique as was this Cambridge Grey 1956 Golden Hawk.) BP



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  • Michidan
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    To go farther back, seems like TW has even recently made mention of the "Golden chassis" Studebaker built and dispalyed. I can't remember my facts on it now, but that is indeed a rare factory Stude story.

    Dan
    52 hardtop
    www.studebakerhardtop.com

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  • Michidan
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    To go farther back, seems like TW has even recently made mention of the "Golden chassis" Studebaker built and dispalyed. I can't remember my facts on it now, but that is indeed a rare factory Stude story.

    Dan
    52 hardtop
    www.studebakerhardtop.com

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  • fstst56
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    Bob Palma,

    Did that Hawk come from the factory with the leather interior or was it installed by an outside source before it was delivered to the customer?

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  • fstst56
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    Bob Palma,

    Did that Hawk come from the factory with the leather interior or was it installed by an outside source before it was delivered to the customer?

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  • KOOL R2
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    Craig, The Black 1956 Flight Hawk Hardtop is owned by Bernice Crouch the wife of the original buyer Oscar Crouch. As far as I know Bernice lives in the London Ontario area but the last contact that I had was several years ago. Maybe somebody else can chip in here.

    Peter Sant

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  • KOOL R2
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    Craig, The Black 1956 Flight Hawk Hardtop is owned by Bernice Crouch the wife of the original buyer Oscar Crouch. As far as I know Bernice lives in the London Ontario area but the last contact that I had was several years ago. Maybe somebody else can chip in here.

    Peter Sant

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  • BobPalma
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    quote:Originally posted by 8E45E

    Here's the one-and-only 1956 Golden Hawk that came from the factory with a genuine leather interior. Also has OD, back-up lights, ordered new with black sidewall tires, and NO radio!! Sold new by Palma-Rhodes Motors. Bob's dad really knew what "customer service" truly meant to special order a car lik that!





    Craig
    How times change, Craig. 'Truth be known, and he'll admit it, my Dad all but strangled his "partner" that actually wrote up that deal. The lawyer that ordered that Golden Hawk was a shrewd guy and traded in two cars; a 1951 Champion 4-door and a 1953 Jaguar XK120 - true! (Plus $1,085.82 cash, including sales tax.) The lawyer was a friend of partner Harry Rhoads and didn't mind negotiating as strongly as possible with not-too-strong Harry. (It was Palma-Rhoads Motors by then; see Page 31; January 2006 Turning Wheels).

    Years ago, Dad entrusted to me all the extant, original dealer records from the dealership(s) in Paris IL, so I have all the figures, serial numbers, etc, right here in front of me for that deal...and every other one from 1953-1956, too.

    Dad looked at the gross overallowance Harry Rhoads had made on the Champion and the Jaguar to order that 1956 Golden Hawk and about fainted. Dad knew the whole deal was going to cost them a lot of money, that it would be a serious loss in the end...and it sure was.

    By the time they delivered that Golden Hawk, took the trades, reconditioned the trades, took another trade on the '51 Champion as a used car and reconditioned and sold that trade, etc, etc...by the time the last car was sold and the whole deal washed out, the dealership honest-to-gosh lost over $1,000 1956 dollars -over $1,000-when each partner was trying to draw close to $100 a week pay! (I haven't calculated the exact figure for a couple years, but it really was a little over $1,000...in 1956!)

    But now that the car is one of the more famous 1956 Golden Hawks extant for a variety of reasons (rarity, provenance, quality of restoration), Dad is all too willing to let bygones be bygones, as reflected on Page 14 of the November 2002 Turning Wheels! (And BTW, Mom & Dad are both in excellent health even today, living independently. Dad will be 91 years old this coming April 14th!) BP

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  • BobPalma
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    quote:Originally posted by 8E45E

    Here's the one-and-only 1956 Golden Hawk that came from the factory with a genuine leather interior. Also has OD, back-up lights, ordered new with black sidewall tires, and NO radio!! Sold new by Palma-Rhodes Motors. Bob's dad really knew what "customer service" truly meant to special order a car lik that!





    Craig
    How times change, Craig. 'Truth be known, and he'll admit it, my Dad all but strangled his "partner" that actually wrote up that deal. The lawyer that ordered that Golden Hawk was a shrewd guy and traded in two cars; a 1951 Champion 4-door and a 1953 Jaguar XK120 - true! (Plus $1,085.82 cash, including sales tax.) The lawyer was a friend of partner Harry Rhoads and didn't mind negotiating as strongly as possible with not-too-strong Harry. (It was Palma-Rhoads Motors by then; see Page 31; January 2006 Turning Wheels).

    Years ago, Dad entrusted to me all the extant, original dealer records from the dealership(s) in Paris IL, so I have all the figures, serial numbers, etc, right here in front of me for that deal...and every other one from 1953-1956, too.

    Dad looked at the gross overallowance Harry Rhoads had made on the Champion and the Jaguar to order that 1956 Golden Hawk and about fainted. Dad knew the whole deal was going to cost them a lot of money, that it would be a serious loss in the end...and it sure was.

    By the time they delivered that Golden Hawk, took the trades, reconditioned the trades, took another trade on the '51 Champion as a used car and reconditioned and sold that trade, etc, etc...by the time the last car was sold and the whole deal washed out, the dealership honest-to-gosh lost over $1,000 1956 dollars -over $1,000-when each partner was trying to draw close to $100 a week pay! (I haven't calculated the exact figure for a couple years, but it really was a little over $1,000...in 1956!)

    But now that the car is one of the more famous 1956 Golden Hawks extant for a variety of reasons (rarity, provenance, quality of restoration), Dad is all too willing to let bygones be bygones, as reflected on Page 14 of the November 2002 Turning Wheels! (And BTW, Mom & Dad are both in excellent health even today, living independently. Dad will be 91 years old this coming April 14th!) BP

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  • 8E45E
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    Here's the one-and-only 1956 Golden Hawk that came from the factory with a genuine leather interior. Also has OD, back-up lights, ordered new with black sidewall tires, and NO radio!! Sold new by Palma-Rhodes Motors. Bob's dad really knew what "customer service" truly meant to special order a car lik that!





    Craig

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