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    I'm finally replacing the worn steering box in my '63 Champ, and got out a used one that I thought was good. Overall, it's not bad, but I only now find that teh post is bent. As you spin it, the steering wheel end scribes a 2" circle. It looks like the bend is down near the gears end.

    Can it be safely straigtned, or should I look for another steering gear assembly?



    Ron Dame
    '63 Champ
    Ron Dame
    '63 Champ

  • #2
    I sure wouldn't use it, Ron. As you may know, these shafts are spin-welded to the worm gear shaft and that itself is cause for concern over the long haul. That's why you shouldn't tighten up the bolts that hold the box to the frame on almost any Stude until the upper end of the column is fitted to the dash moorings. If you put that spin-weld joint under constant stress thru putting it in a constant bind, it can come apart with repeated flexing caused by that bind as you drive the car.[xx(] With a bent shaft, no matter how well you align the column, there's likely gonna be some flexing as the steering wheel is turned.
    You MIGHT be able to straighten it adequately (and I understand how hard it is to find a useable 8E steering sector) but it would be a move of last resort for me.
    Notice I said "almost any" when talking about tightening the box-to-frame bolts. The reason is that the Saginaw PS setups (used on most PS-equipped cars from '53 thru '59) have a "rag joint" incorporated into the column assy as well as Avantis. Fact is, you COULD incorporate a flex joint of some sort into your 8E's steering and you'd be safer for it in the long run. That would be one way to redeem the life of that bent-shaft box you've got.

    Miscreant adrift in
    the BerStuda Triangle!!

    1957 Transtar 1/2ton
    1960 Larkvertible V8
    1958 Provincial wagon
    1953 Commander coupe
    No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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    • #3
      I sure wouldn't use it, Ron. As you may know, these shafts are spin-welded to the worm gear shaft and that itself is cause for concern over the long haul. That's why you shouldn't tighten up the bolts that hold the box to the frame on almost any Stude until the upper end of the column is fitted to the dash moorings. If you put that spin-weld joint under constant stress thru putting it in a constant bind, it can come apart with repeated flexing caused by that bind as you drive the car.[xx(] With a bent shaft, no matter how well you align the column, there's likely gonna be some flexing as the steering wheel is turned.
      You MIGHT be able to straighten it adequately (and I understand how hard it is to find a useable 8E steering sector) but it would be a move of last resort for me.
      Notice I said "almost any" when talking about tightening the box-to-frame bolts. The reason is that the Saginaw PS setups (used on most PS-equipped cars from '53 thru '59) have a "rag joint" incorporated into the column assy as well as Avantis. Fact is, you COULD incorporate a flex joint of some sort into your 8E's steering and you'd be safer for it in the long run. That would be one way to redeem the life of that bent-shaft box you've got.

      Miscreant adrift in
      the BerStuda Triangle!!

      1957 Transtar 1/2ton
      1960 Larkvertible V8
      1958 Provincial wagon
      1953 Commander coupe
      No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

      Comment


      • #4
        I considered that...but where would you put a rag joint and still keep your column shift?


        quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

        I sure wouldn't use it, Ron. As you may know, these shafts are spin-welded to the worm gear shaft and that itself is cause for concern over the long haul. That's why you shouldn't tighten up the bolts that hold the box to the frame on almost any Stude until the upper end of the column is fitted to the dash moorings. If you put that spin-weld joint under constant stress thru putting it in a constant bind, it can come apart with repeated flexing caused by that bind as you drive the car.[xx(] With a bent shaft, no matter how well you align the column, there's likely gonna be some flexing as the steering wheel is turned.
        You MIGHT be able to straighten it adequately (and I understand how hard it is to find a useable 8E steering sector) but it would be a move of last resort for me.
        Notice I said "almost any" when talking about tightening the box-to-frame bolts. The reason is that the Saginaw PS setups (used on most PS-equipped cars from '53 thru '59) have a "rag joint" incorporated into the column assy as well as Avantis. Fact is, you COULD incorporate a flex joint of some sort into your 8E's steering and you'd be safer for it in the long run. That would be one way to redeem the life of that bent-shaft box you've got.

        Miscreant adrift in
        the BerStuda Triangle!!

        1957 Transtar 1/2ton
        1960 Larkvertible V8
        1958 Provincial wagon
        1953 Commander coupe
        Ron Dame
        '63 Champ
        Ron Dame
        '63 Champ

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        • #5
          I considered that...but where would you put a rag joint and still keep your column shift?


          quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

          I sure wouldn't use it, Ron. As you may know, these shafts are spin-welded to the worm gear shaft and that itself is cause for concern over the long haul. That's why you shouldn't tighten up the bolts that hold the box to the frame on almost any Stude until the upper end of the column is fitted to the dash moorings. If you put that spin-weld joint under constant stress thru putting it in a constant bind, it can come apart with repeated flexing caused by that bind as you drive the car.[xx(] With a bent shaft, no matter how well you align the column, there's likely gonna be some flexing as the steering wheel is turned.
          You MIGHT be able to straighten it adequately (and I understand how hard it is to find a useable 8E steering sector) but it would be a move of last resort for me.
          Notice I said "almost any" when talking about tightening the box-to-frame bolts. The reason is that the Saginaw PS setups (used on most PS-equipped cars from '53 thru '59) have a "rag joint" incorporated into the column assy as well as Avantis. Fact is, you COULD incorporate a flex joint of some sort into your 8E's steering and you'd be safer for it in the long run. That would be one way to redeem the life of that bent-shaft box you've got.

          Miscreant adrift in
          the BerStuda Triangle!!

          1957 Transtar 1/2ton
          1960 Larkvertible V8
          1958 Provincial wagon
          1953 Commander coupe
          Ron Dame
          '63 Champ
          Ron Dame
          '63 Champ

          Comment


          • #6
            [:I]I didn't SAY it would be easy.[:I]

            Miscreant adrift in
            the BerStuda Triangle!!

            1957 Transtar 1/2ton
            1960 Larkvertible V8
            1958 Provincial wagon
            1953 Commander coupe
            No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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            • #7
              [:I]I didn't SAY it would be easy.[:I]

              Miscreant adrift in
              the BerStuda Triangle!!

              1957 Transtar 1/2ton
              1960 Larkvertible V8
              1958 Provincial wagon
              1953 Commander coupe
              No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

              Comment


              • #8
                At the risk of asking a really dumb question....... and I'm not there to see what you're seeing........you do know those steering wheels are not round?

                [img] http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/53C.jpg [/img]
                Dwain G.

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                • #9
                  At the risk of asking a really dumb question....... and I'm not there to see what you're seeing........you do know those steering wheels are not round?

                  [img] http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/53C.jpg [/img]
                  Dwain G.

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                  • #10
                    Yes, some of the wheels aren't round, but that's not it...the post is bent. With no wheel on it (and the whole dang thing laying on the floor), If I move the pitman arm, the end of the steering post wobbles. If you stuck a pencil in the end of the post, and held a piece of paper up to it, you'd draw a 2 or 3" circle. No, it's bent. The one in the truck now has a worn sector and grinds and drags, but it's straight. (it's out of the truck now too). SASCO I now find, has a post and sector for about $105, and maybe the pins in the bent-shaft box are ok...so maybe I can take both boxes, a new post, and make one good assembly...I hope. I'll start tearing into it MOnday.

                    quote:Originally posted by Dwain G.

                    At the risk of asking a really dumb question....... and I'm not there to see what you're seeing........you do know those steering wheels are not round?

                    [img] http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/53C.jpg [/img]
                    Dwain G.
                    Ron Dame
                    '63 Champ
                    Ron Dame
                    '63 Champ

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                    • #11
                      Yes, some of the wheels aren't round, but that's not it...the post is bent. With no wheel on it (and the whole dang thing laying on the floor), If I move the pitman arm, the end of the steering post wobbles. If you stuck a pencil in the end of the post, and held a piece of paper up to it, you'd draw a 2 or 3" circle. No, it's bent. The one in the truck now has a worn sector and grinds and drags, but it's straight. (it's out of the truck now too). SASCO I now find, has a post and sector for about $105, and maybe the pins in the bent-shaft box are ok...so maybe I can take both boxes, a new post, and make one good assembly...I hope. I'll start tearing into it MOnday.

                      quote:Originally posted by Dwain G.

                      At the risk of asking a really dumb question....... and I'm not there to see what you're seeing........you do know those steering wheels are not round?

                      [img] http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/53C.jpg [/img]
                      Dwain G.
                      Ron Dame
                      '63 Champ
                      Ron Dame
                      '63 Champ

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Good point, Dwain! I ASSumed Ron was speaking of the shaft's end and may have bared mine in the process![V]

                        Miscreant adrift in
                        the BerStuda Triangle!!

                        1957 Transtar 1/2ton
                        1960 Larkvertible V8
                        1958 Provincial wagon
                        1953 Commander coupe
                        No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Good point, Dwain! I ASSumed Ron was speaking of the shaft's end and may have bared mine in the process![V]

                          Miscreant adrift in
                          the BerStuda Triangle!!

                          1957 Transtar 1/2ton
                          1960 Larkvertible V8
                          1958 Provincial wagon
                          1953 Commander coupe
                          No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            quote:Originally posted by Ron Dame

                            I'm finally replacing the worn steering box in my '63 Champ, and got out a used one that I thought was good. Overall, it's not bad, Ron Dame
                            '63 Champ
                            That crummy 8E steering box caused the demise of my '64 Champ (and nearly two other people). The shaft broke loose when my son was driving. He was going in to a gentle curve, couldn't steer and hit another truck head-on. Speed was low enough that injuries weren't serious, but the Champ was totalled.

                            [img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG[/img=right]

                            Paul Johnson
                            '53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
                            '64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
                            '64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
                            Museum R-4 engine
                            Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia.
                            '64 Daytona Wagonaire, '64 Avanti R-1, Museum R-4 engine, '72 Gravely Model 430 with Onan engine

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                            • #15
                              quote:Originally posted by Ron Dame

                              I'm finally replacing the worn steering box in my '63 Champ, and got out a used one that I thought was good. Overall, it's not bad, Ron Dame
                              '63 Champ
                              That crummy 8E steering box caused the demise of my '64 Champ (and nearly two other people). The shaft broke loose when my son was driving. He was going in to a gentle curve, couldn't steer and hit another truck head-on. Speed was low enough that injuries weren't serious, but the Champ was totalled.

                              [img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG[/img=right]

                              Paul Johnson
                              '53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
                              '64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
                              '64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
                              Museum R-4 engine
                              Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia.
                              '64 Daytona Wagonaire, '64 Avanti R-1, Museum R-4 engine, '72 Gravely Model 430 with Onan engine

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