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    Can an anyone help me ID this Studebaker V8. I wanting to know the year and 259 or 289. Your help is appreciated.

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    Mike Kelly
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    Texas
    1963 Lark Cruiser
    1962 GT Hawk
    1965 Commander 2dr v8 auto

  • #2
    I trying to determine if that is a 1 or a L after the P .
    Mike Kelly
    Regional Manager
    Texas
    1963 Lark Cruiser
    1962 GT Hawk
    1965 Commander 2dr v8 auto

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    • #3
      That is a 1.
      Last edited by studegary; 08-11-2018, 08:24 PM.
      Gary L.
      Wappinger, NY

      SDC member since 1968
      Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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      • #4
        It would be Number: 14,644 289 ("P")

        The South Bend assembled 1963 289 Engines started at 93,601 so it is too LOW!

        The Los Angeles assembled '56 President 289's started at: PL2701

        OPPS, Wait a minute! That MUST be a poorly stamped "L" making it PL4,644, the Turquoise Paint also matches a 1956 President Engine!


        http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/V8EngineID.asp

        If it has a Bi-pass Oil filter or None, without the Full Flow Oil Filter at the Lower, Right Rear, that is definitely a 1956 289.

        Also the Casting Number at the Right Front side of the Car & Block, would be a SIX Digit 5XXXXX Number not a Seven Digit 15XXXXX.
        Last edited by StudeRich; 08-11-2018, 08:09 PM.
        StudeRich
        Second Generation Stude Driver,
        Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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        • #5
          Perhaps it is a replacement block not stamped at the factory and they used a 1 instead of an I.

          EDIT: I agree that things like the location of an oil filter would separate the 1956 from the 1963.
          Gary L.
          Wappinger, NY

          SDC member since 1968
          Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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          • #6
            Yeah BUT, if it is a "1", The Serial is TOO Low to be a 1963!

            Without the Decimal Dude's Help, I THINK that is correct!
            StudeRich
            Second Generation Stude Driver,
            Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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            • #7
              I go with Rich on this one. Especially since that is not a proper 'I' (1). A little scraping and wire brushing might help.

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              • #8
                This is a photo of the engine, it has 289 decals on the rocker covers but I wasn’t sure it really was. Anyone can apply a decal and call it what they want.

                Mike Kelly
                Regional Manager
                Texas
                1963 Lark Cruiser
                1962 GT Hawk
                1965 Commander 2dr v8 auto

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by StudeRich View Post
                  Yeah BUT, if it is a "1", The Serial is TOO Low to be a 1963!

                  Without the Decimal Dude's Help, I THINK that is correct!
                  I agree. I was too hasty. If it is P1---, it is a 1955 President 259 cid V8.
                  Gary L.
                  Wappinger, NY

                  SDC member since 1968
                  Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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                  • #10
                    Another shot of the engine. It’s in a 1961 Champ.

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                    • #11
                      It does have the Bi-pass, drop-in Cartridge Fram Type Oil Filter on top, so if there is none on the bottom, clearly a 1956.
                      I would guess that the Truck is probably a 6E5 6 Cylinder Truck, but COULD be a 6E7 with just another V8 replacement.
                      StudeRich
                      Second Generation Stude Driver,
                      Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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                      • #12
                        So it’s my understanding that even though it’s being represented as a 289, and by motor number it is actually a 259. Am I correct?
                        Mike Kelly
                        Regional Manager
                        Texas
                        1963 Lark Cruiser
                        1962 GT Hawk
                        1965 Commander 2dr v8 auto

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mrkelly View Post
                          So it’s my understanding that even though it’s being represented as a 289, and by motor number it is actually a 259. Am I correct?
                          Yes and No. The engine block started out as a 259 cid. It may now be a 289 (utilizing 289 crank and pistons) or it may still be a 259. It is what is inside that makes the difference. After 63 years, it would have to be investigated. It is simple enough to measure the stroke by just removing a spark plug and measuring the difference in piston location, top of stroke to bottom of stroke.
                          Gary L.
                          Wappinger, NY

                          SDC member since 1968
                          Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by StudeRich View Post
                            It does have the Bi-pass, drop-in Cartridge Fram Type Oil Filter on top, so if there is none on the bottom, clearly a 1956.
                            I would guess that the Truck is probably a 6E5 6 Cylinder Truck, but COULD be a 6E7 with just another V8 replacement.
                            Did I misread something else? Why do you call it a 1956 and not a 1955 President 259?

                            EDIT: 1956 President engines start at 22,001 and this engine appears to me to be 14,644.
                            Last edited by studegary; 08-11-2018, 09:53 PM.
                            Gary L.
                            Wappinger, NY

                            SDC member since 1968
                            Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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                            • #15
                              I will go out in the morning and look at the motor number on my 1955 President Speedster. It was assembled in South Bend and was shipped to Danube MN. It is a 259 with a "P" starting number.

                              Bob Miles

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