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Did Studebaker's Bob Bourke copy the Tucker - or was it the other way around?

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  • Skip Lackie
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    Originally posted by studegary View Post
    I drove my 1953 Commander Starliner to that Milestone convention. I was a charter member of Milestone. I remember a Tucker at that meet that I was able to sit in, both front and rear.
    Wow. I also was there, and was a charter member of MCS, too. Drove a non-Milestone 62 Impala (which I still have) to the meet. Got Bob Bourke and Bob Andrews to autograph the same piece of Stude sales lit.

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  • Stude Shoo-wop!
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    So far as I know, Tucker and Bourke have no connection whatsoever.

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  • studegary
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    Originally posted by GrumpyOne View Post
    I first met Bob Bourke at a Milestone convention in PA in the early 1970's and a couple of times thereafter. On one visit he gave me an initialed, (1941), pastel sketch of what would become the "all new" 1947 model. It is one of my most cherished possessions...
    I drove my 1953 Commander Starliner to that Milestone convention. I was a charter member of Milestone. I remember a Tucker at that meet that I was able to sit in, both front and rear.

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  • GrumpyOne
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    I first met Bob Bourke at a Milestone convention in PA in the early 1970's and a couple of times thereafter. On one visit he gave me an initialed, (1941), pastel sketch of what would become the "all new" 1947 model. It is one of my most cherished possessions...

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  • studegary
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    Originally posted by jclary View Post
    One thing we may be overlooking, is how small a group (fraternity) that were involved in automotive design among the major manufacturers of the era. These design engineers, like "hired gunmen" of the old west, migrated from one manufacturer to the other. They attended car shows, professional seminars, etc., and often exchanged ideas, and influenced each other. Most, were dynamic personalities, who expressed their concepts in drawings, 3D models, and full size "mock-ups." Looking at today's vehicles, you could conclude that not much has changed from the resulting "group think."
    Also even closer relationships (in the true sense of the word), like when the father worked for Chrysler design and the son worked for Studebaker design.

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  • Hallabutt
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    We spend a great deal of time characterizing a particular car by a single styling cue, when in fact that is only one feature of that car. It's how the cues are assembled that really make the car a classic, or which might relegate it as just another auto industry misstep. IMO the "bullet nose" was a design dead end. It's successful use ended in 1951.

    To clarify, our stable of cars includes a 1950 Statlight coupe and 1951 four door. We love them for what they are, quirky and unique, and the history that they represent. However they are light-years removed from the classic 1953 C/K masterpiece, of Bob Bourk.

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  • t walgamuth
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    Bourke was a face man, Harley was obviously an azz man.

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  • DougHolverson
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    It's kind of quirky at how the Bourke team at Studebaker saw the P-38 and got the Bullet-Nose while the Harley Earl team at GM saw the P-38 and got tail fins.

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  • jclary
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    One thing we may be overlooking, is how small a group (fraternity) that were involved in automotive design among the major manufacturers of the era. These design engineers, like "hired gunmen" of the old west, migrated from one manufacturer to the other. They attended car shows, professional seminars, etc., and often exchanged ideas, and influenced each other. Most, were dynamic personalities, who expressed their concepts in drawings, 3D models, and full size "mock-ups." Looking at today's vehicles, you could conclude that not much has changed from the resulting "group think."

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  • gordr
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    Originally posted by studeclunker View Post
    Tucker's son, whilst working for Ford Motor Company, sued Studebaker over the '50-'51 cars. IIRC, Studebaker settled with him for around a cool mil.
    I have never heard of that. Got a link?

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  • t walgamuth
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    You wish....

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  • TWChamp
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    Originally posted by t walgamuth View Post
    I think the 50 stude is the purest front airplane look of them all.
    I agree, and don't think the 49 Ford comes even close to the good design of the 50 Studebaker.

    Last night I was reading the article in the September 1949 Popular Science about the 1950 Studebakers.
    They mention the design team wanted the bullet nose in 1947, but the Studebaker bosses weren't ready for it, or didn't want it so soon.

    BTW, a few years ago, twice in one day I was asked if my 50 Champion was a Tucker. LOL

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  • studeclunker
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    Tucker's son, whilst working for Ford Motor Company, sued Studebaker over the '50-'51 cars. IIRC, Studebaker settled with him for around a cool mil.

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  • t walgamuth
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    I think the 50 stude is the purest front airplane look of them all.

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  • 52-fan
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    Lots of designs, automotive and otherwise, are similar. The designer's mind collects shapes and ideas from all over. It is inevitable that various people come up with ideas that are similar. I don't think this is a conscious attempt to copy anyone else.

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