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  • #16
    Ghosts of the Packard-Clipper Division will rise up in protest. I believe that this color is Rose Quartz, available only as an option for the accent stripe on the sides of Caribbeans. Heather was a very muted sort of dusty rose, often combined with white on Four Hundred hardtops... not bad, actually.Three-tone on this Clipper was strictly somebody's afterthought. There were many two-tone Clippers, an option costing $23 (retail). Usually attractive light colors, tended to be things like a soft yellow (resembling '55 Stude Encino Cream). The Clipper Custom Constellation hardtop my folks test drove combined that yellow with white. I rode along, rooting for them to bring it home. They didn't, and the dealer closed a few weeks later.

    But I loved the V8 Packards my wife and I owned many years later as collector cars. '56 Patrician was solid blue, the Four Hundred was two-tone blue. (Photos) Some Patricians were all-black. One such black Patrician was owned by some members of my extended family who were victims of a serial killer (Starkweather) in Lincoln NE. Packard and perpetrators subjects of pursuit all the way to badlands of Wyoming.

    In '56, Cadillac was selling white over pink Sedan De Villes as fast as they could make 'em. A classmate named Theodore Mountjoy III was driven to school in one of those. That could be rough going in the rural midwest in 1956. Apologies to Ted if he's out there somewhere... a good guy.

    In '55 & '56, it was a breach of manners to refer to a Clipper as a Packard. Company strategy, much like distinguishing Imperial from Chrysler back then.
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    • #17
      I don't think that there was anything dusty, or muted about the color Scottish Heather.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by riversidevw View Post
        Ghosts of the Packard-Clipper Division will rise up in protest. I believe that this color is Rose Quartz, available only as an option for the accent stripe on the sides of Caribbeans. Heather was a very muted sort of dusty rose, often combined with white on Four Hundred hardtops... not bad, actually.Three-tone on this Clipper was strictly somebody's afterthought. There were many two-tone Clippers, an option costing $23 (retail). Usually attractive light colors, tended to be things like a soft yellow (resembling '55 Stude Encino Cream). The Clipper Custom Constellation hardtop my folks test drove combined that yellow with white. I rode along, rooting for them to bring it home. They didn't, and the dealer closed a few weeks later. But I loved the V8 Packards my wife and I owned many years later as collector cars.

        In '55 & '56, it was a breach of manners to refer to a Clipper as a Packard. Company strategy, much like distinguishing Imperial from Chrysler back then.
        Yes and no, Gil.

        Agree: That could be the mid-1956 year Rose Quartz, but Rose Quartz wasn't available during the 1955 model year. Of course, since the subject car was undoubtedly not a factory-issue 1955 Clipper in that combination, who knows when it was "done up" like that. The under-hood shots seem to show some pinkish color, so I wonder....

        Disagree: It wasn't until the 1956 model year that James Nance sought to distance the Clipper name from the Packard name; IIRC, my Dad even had a separate Clipper Franchise sales agreement for the 1956 model year. That didn't work out so well because sometime in January 1956, dealers wanted the small Packard script on the deck lid of 1956 Clippers, so the factory began installing them [again, as in 1955] and would install one free on the deck lid of 1956 Clippers already sold if the customer desired. BP
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        • #19
          I think Big Kev is the expert here. The web site for 1955 Clipper and Packard colors: http://www.packardinfo.com/xoops/htm...55_1_Paint.pdf

          I was under the impression that Clippers were only available in single or two-tone colors.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by 56GH View Post
            I think Big Kev is the expert here. The web site for 1955 Clipper and Packard colors: http://www.packardinfo.com/xoops/htm...55_1_Paint.pdf

            I was under the impression that Clippers were only available in single or two-tone colors.
            That's correct. BP
            We've got to quit saying, "How stupid can you be?" Too many people are taking it as a challenge.

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            • #21
              56GH, assume you also found the Rose Quartz on that link to Packard paint colors. Yup, it's a '55 color. Confirmed also in my '55 dealer's portfolio. But not for anything other than the accent on a Carib. Tri-tone color scheme MUH, consisting of White Jade, Rose Quartz, Gray Pearl metallic.

              Bob, I cheerfully admit to glossing over that tiny Packard script in a corner of the '55 Clipper trunk lids. And I just saw that on some pages of that portfolio the term "Packard Clipper" is indeed used, generally with Packard in low case, Clipper in larger type. Transition year. So I'm clearly wrong on one point, vindicated on the other. Perhaps should have left the matter alone. Hope I never become known as the resident expert in Rose Quartz nitrocellulose lacquer!

              Think we can agree that this particular Clipper (OK, Packard Clipper) never emerged from the Detroit plant looking remotely like it does now.

              Whatever Packard was trying with Clipper line surely didn't last long. The Clipper Custom morphed into the Packard Executive by spring of '56. And for '57 the attractive South Bend improvisations recombined both labels.

              Did your dad stay on board with a Studebaker franchise? Smaller agencies like the one operated by lifelong friends of my parents in Hastings, Nebraska just closed their doors, the owner kept a new Clipper Super for personal use. A lot of bigger stores were hustled by Lincoln-Mercury, others eventually Mercedes. Earle C. Anthony in LA went L-M. Frost & French (east Hollywood area) took on Studebaker, brief dalliance with Mercedes. All that was during the Mercedes affiliation with S-P. Once owned a '56 Mercedes 300 sedan. The manuals included a nationwide dealer directory. In '56 it was a very thin book.
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              • #22
                "I don't think that there was anything dusty, or muted about the color Scottish Heather." Sorry, I was likely thinking of the Sardonyx color. In early 1960s, the Army officers assigned as military faculty for my college ROTC would arrive at the parade ground for weekly drill in one big sedan, a '55 Packard Patrician, Sardonyx and white.

                I was seriously out to lunch in my description of "Scottish Heather." Shown on the '56 chips as a robust red, to be distinguished from Tangier Red and '55 Fire Opal.

                But the Clipper seems indeed to be the unfortunate Quartz Rose, included in the '55 paint chips. Scottish Heather was apparently just a '56 choice. Just noticed that the bidding ended at a low figure and a no sale. Perhaps if he added "Fire Opal" racing stripes...

                Gil


                http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-PACKARD...xT9Vif&vxp=mtr

                http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-PACKARD...FVk5zs&vxp=mtr
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by 8E45E View Post
                  I've seen a few '55 and '56 Dodge Custom Royal sedans in similar tri-tone colors, though the shade of pink may not have been as bright as 'Scottish Heather' used on the Packard.

                  Craig
                  Craig,

                  Back in '56-'57, my high school principal drove one of those tri-toned '56 Dodge Custom Royal sedans. Fairly attractive combination, not as OMG as the Clipper. Afraid this particular Clipper is one of those personal "statements" gone wrong.

                  By the way, check out the paint chips I posted above (current eBay listings). Scottish Heather is actually a fairly straightforward red. I'm beginning to lose my Packard credentials. There were a great number of colors and combinations in '55 and '56, often with names which don't give a clue.

                  Gil
                  Gil Zimmerman
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                  1956 Golden Hawk
                  1958 Packard Hawk
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by riversidevw View Post
                    Scottish Heather is actually a fairly straightforward red. I'm beginning to lose my Packard credentials. There were a great number of colors and combinations in '55 and '56, often with names which don't give a clue.
                    I've seen a Caribbean in "Dover White/Scottish Heather/Maltese Gray" combination, and it is more a 'raspberry pink' as BP described here: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...-Built-Packard

                    As I recall, Lincoln offered no less that three different shades of 'pink/purple' in 1956; 'Wisteria', 'Amethyst', and 'Island Coral'

                    Craig.

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                    • #25
                      Maybe someone who has Photoshop or similar expertise (which unfortunately is not me ) can take the side view pic of this clipper and try out some more appealing color combos using the factory colors for that year. And post them in this thread.........
                      Paul
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by 8E45E View Post
                        I've seen a Caribbean in "Dover White/Scottish Heather/Maltese Gray" combination, and it is more a 'raspberry pink' as BP described here: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...-Built-Packard

                        As I recall, Lincoln offered no less that three different shades of 'pink/purple' in 1956; 'Wisteria', 'Amethyst', and 'Island Coral'

                        Craig.
                        Right on the '56 Lincoln!

                        Increasingly, the versions of 60 year old pastels we see are changing, sometimes a lot, by the irrelevance of the old paint mixing formulas and a lot of improvising.

                        I always thought the '55 Clipper two-tone treatments were more successful on the Constellation and Panama hardtops, not so much the sedans. Same conclusion for a Clipper competitor, the '55 Olds sedans... the weird lightning bolt effect. Clipper Custom was replaced mid-year '56 by the Packard Executive, which finally had a simple two tone treatment. Bob's likely right that the eye-searing Rose Quartz pink might have been resurrected some time in '56. Colors come and go a lot, sometimes never reflected in the color chips. Just like the last Speedster, to which Craig directed my attention. Romany Red and Snowcap White on a car completed when the '56s must have already been coming down the production line.

                        By the way, 56GH's earlier link is to a paint chip chart that's better condition and quality... '56 Packard chips showing the Scottish Heather. I've tried posting the PDF link, but it defaults to the main information page.

                        That color (Heather) was used as an accent on '56 Caribbeans, but the various three-tone schemes for the big convertible in '55 included Fire Opal and the Rose Quartz, not the Heather. Mind numbing after a while. Sardonyx had tones of dark rose with hints of dried cranberry. Something like a pretentious wine tasting gone wrong.

                        Gil
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                        Gil Zimmerman
                        Riverside, CA

                        1955 Speedster
                        1956 Golden Hawk
                        1958 Packard Hawk
                        1958 President
                        1963 Avanti R2

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                        • #27
                          "Maybe someone who has Photoshop or similar expertise (which unfortunately is not me ) can take the side view pic of this clipper and try out some more appealing color combos using the factory colors for that year. And post them in this thread......... "

                          I'll look for a decent one from my years with Packards International. Better to just delete "this Clipper" and start over. In the meantime, here are some links to a few decent color combinations. I prefer the hardtops. Mostly typical of the '55 era:

                          http://www.classiccarsseller.com/med...redwhite/5.jpg

                          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...-4dr-Sedan.jpg


                          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...1955_Front.jpg

                          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Clipper_2.jpg
                          Last edited by riversidevw; 06-16-2017, 08:20 AM.
                          Gil Zimmerman
                          Riverside, CA

                          1955 Speedster
                          1956 Golden Hawk
                          1958 Packard Hawk
                          1958 President
                          1963 Avanti R2

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                          • #28
                            Or the '56 midyear replacement for the Clipper Custom:

                            https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7149/6...54498d07_z.jpg

                            http://ayay.co.uk/backgrounds/transp...-White-fvl.jpg
                            Gil Zimmerman
                            Riverside, CA

                            1955 Speedster
                            1956 Golden Hawk
                            1958 Packard Hawk
                            1958 President
                            1963 Avanti R2

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by riversidevw View Post
                              "Maybe someone who has Photoshop or similar expertise (which unfortunately is not me ) can take the side view pic of this clipper and try out some more appealing color combos using the factory colors for that year. And post them in this thread......... "

                              I'll look for a decent one from my years with Packards International. Better to just delete "this Clipper" and start over. In the meantime, here are some links to a few decent color combinations. I prefer the hardtops. Mostly typical of the '55 era:

                              http://www.classiccarsseller.com/med...redwhite/5.jpg

                              https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...-4dr-Sedan.jpg


                              https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...1955_Front.jpg

                              https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Clipper_2.jpg
                              The third pic of the 4-door with the beige and white color combo is really pretty.

                              Someone in this thread noted that color schemes that look good on the '55 Clipper hard tops may not necessarily look good on a 4-door sedan - I would tend to agree with that.

                              Thanks for the pics riversidevw.
                              Paul
                              Winston-Salem, NC
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                              • #30
                                One more interesting (to me) detail. Only in '55 and only on the two Clipper hardtop models did they delete the rear skirts. Car styling seemed less chunky. Same trick they had used on the '54 Caribbean. The '53 Caribbean had full rear wheel cutouts, distinctive but added to the already costly conversion work at Mitchell-Bentley. The '53 Carib was a restrained, elegant design, no two-tone whatsoever. How quickly tastes changed!

                                Gil


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                                Gil Zimmerman
                                Riverside, CA

                                1955 Speedster
                                1956 Golden Hawk
                                1958 Packard Hawk
                                1958 President
                                1963 Avanti R2

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