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  • BobPalma
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    Originally posted by nevadarick View Post
    I can post a few current pics of my 64 GT (and some of my other collectibles); but, don't know where or how to do it (if it can be done at all--newbie at work!)Rick
    Welcome aboard, Rick; you do have a pretty car.

    As for the door handle guards, it's easy to see how they should be installed if you consider their function. As someone approaches the car to open the door, their fingernails are more likely to strike above the door handle than below it. Therefore, the broader (wider) protective surface would go on top.

    To post photos here, it is a good idea to open a Photobucket account. It's free. Post your photos to Photobucket and then copy the link to the appropriate photo, using the img tab they offer you. Paste the link here in your posting and it will appear as your photo when the post is opened.

    As others have said, it is impossible to know how many are "left" of a given make or model. Is a stripped, rolled-over car that has rusted down to nothing at all, languishing in a northern, rust-belt junk yard, "left?" Probably, assuming the Serial Number plate is intact and readable, but how would you even find it, much less account for it? Other nice cars may be in collections not associated with Studebaker and unknown to the Studebaker world.

    For example, the nicest collector car I own is my 1973 Mustang convertible with 17,902 actual miles on it as I type this. All original paint, and it is even sitting on all four production-line tires with the spare never down. But I've never belonged to a Mustang Club and if you asked 100 "Mustangers" in the Indianapolis area if they knew of the car, I doubt any of them do.

    A friend of mine who was president of that club maybe 30 years ago asked me to show it as a "benchmark" at a major Mustang Club meet at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway back then and I did. But he was killed in a motorcycle accident (hit from behind by a drunk driver at 11 o'clock in the morning on a bright, sunny day!) shortly thereafter, so his knowledge of the car died with him. I don't know of anyone else who would remember it. (I bought it January 3, 1976. It turned 17,000 miles as I drove it home, so you can see that it doesn't get a lot of exposure!)

    Anyway, welcome to SDC. That sure is a nice Hawk, but it is impossible to know how many are "left." BP

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  • nevadarick
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    Ok, OK, so I might never know how may of my car models might still exist. I went to place it on my Grundy Insurance policy (stated value) and they asked me what I thought the car was worth. I know what I paid for it; but, have NO idea as to the car's replacement or stated value. Any help out there?

    Rick

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  • nevadarick
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    I can post a few current pics of my 64 GT (and some of my other collectibles); but, don't know where or how to do it (if it can be done at all--newbie at work!)

    Rick

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  • nevadarick
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    Hey Guys;

    I really appreciate the comments. Having practiced trial litigation and being "in the trenches" for more than 40 years, my hide is pretty tough. I'm not going to cry over being told that my door guards were installed the wrong way or that an interior emblem is backwards. To the contrary, I like knowing what is incorrect with my car so that I can remedy the issue. PLEASE, keep the comments coming. I love em!

    I'm still trying to determine if there is a known number of surviving 1964 R2, "full package" cars remaining. I have no idea where certain dealers come up with their estimates of between 5 and 17!

    Rick

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  • 8E45E
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    Originally posted by nevadarick View Post
    Bill and JB--thanks for the input and reply. Now, can anyone tell me just how many 1964 GT, R-2, full package cars are still around/in existence? I've heard between 5 and 17; but, that's a rather large gap!
    There is also a 'large gap' in condition, which leads one to say there is no up-to-the-minute finite number of survivors.

    They range in condition from this one: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...yles&styleid=1

    to this one: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...-64-GT-project and this one: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...-on-Craigslist

    And there is (was) a former showcar rotting in the woods that probably has been parted out by now.

    Craig
    Last edited by 8E45E; 05-18-2017, 04:54 PM.

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  • Bill Pressler
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    Hopefully Rick isn't so thin-skinned. These are all things I'd want to know if I had just bought a car, and I saw many "beautiful car" comments here.

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  • TXmark
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    If you want to get your car critiqued this is the place to get it, you must take in stride. I saw your car on ebay when it was first posted, I think you got a great buy, If I wasn't car poor and near retirement I would have bought it. Welcome to the forum


    Originally posted by nevadarick View Post
    Hopefully, I have corrected and clarified my earlier "misstating of the SNM letter. Now, can anyone answer my question about the absolute/finite number of remaining GT full-package Hawks with the R-2 engine? Thanks and apologies for the wrongdoing,

    Rick

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  • 56GH
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    There's a picture of door handle guard AC-2699 on page 13 of the Fred K. Fox article on the 1962 Gran Turismo Hawk in an old issue of Turning Wheels. (It notes that handle shown is pre-1961 style.). It apparently verifies Bill Pressler's contention that the straight part is at the bottom.

    Excuse the poor quality of the photo. My page copy is not that good either.

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    Originally posted by Bill Pressler View Post
    That's right, Rick. Probably half the Studes I see with them have them installed upside-down, left-on-right-side and vice-versa.

    Studebaker Accessories brochures of the '60's show them always with the straight/flat edge on the bottom. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any pics of those particular pages in any of the brochures, online.

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  • Bill Pressler
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    That's right, Rick. Probably half the Studes I see with them have them installed upside-down, left-on-right-side and vice-versa.

    Studebaker Accessories brochures of the '60's show them always with the straight/flat edge on the bottom. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any pics of those particular pages in any of the brochures, online.

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  • nevadarick
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    Hey Bill;

    having looked at many pictures of the door handle guards, I think you're right. The left was installed on the right side and the right on the left side. Because they can only go on one way, they are now upside down--correct?

    Rick

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  • nevadarick
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    Hey Bill;

    It must be my elderly eyes. I just looked at the Red R2, full package 64 GT in the post two above this one (several times, now). I just can't tell that the door handle guards are installed upside down on my car--they look the same as the Red one. Do you have pictures as to how they are suppose to look?

    Thanks for any help,

    Rick

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  • Bill Pressler
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    Beautiful GT and I like the Aero Strut wheelcovers. The door handle guards are installed upside-down. Beautiful car nonetheless.

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  • Lou Van Anne
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ID:	1713655This is my R2 full package 64 GT....otherwise known affectionately know as my problem child. Close to finally having her road worthy....I hope. S/N 64V11322
    (If you really want an R2....I'd consider trading for a fully equipped A/C version?)

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  • Colgate Studebaker
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    My R1 was purchased with another 64 GT in a package deal. The other was a full package R2 that was built for the 64 auto show circuit. It was 1 of 7 GT show cars built for that purpose. I ended up selling it and it now resides in Oz, where it will be getting a thorough complete restoration. In doing research on it I found that James Bell in Washington state owns one and there is the one in New York. The count is adding up so who knows how many we'll end up with. Bill

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  • Guido
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    Unless a minuscule number of any particular model were produced, it would be impossible to accurately know how many still survive. They can be hidden away and only be known by one or two people or owned by people not associated with the Studebaker hobby.

    Case in point, I was in NAPA about a decade ago getting a master cylinder for my '62 4x4. I ran into a local chapter member who has a '63 Avanti his mother bought new. As we were standing in the checkout line I looked out the front window and saw a black '63 GT Hawk. I loudly asked who owned the Studebaker and the man in front of me said it was his. So there were 3 Studebaker owners in line at the NAPA.

    It turns out he bought the car new, he wanted an Avanti but his wife would not let him spend the money. He ended up getting a R-2 Hawk with 4 speed. He was not a SDC member and I have never seen the car again.

    I have personally sent 4 Studebakers overseas so they can end up anywhere.

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