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**Dick Steinkamp** · 12-24-2007, 05:45 PM

Seems about right to me for a #3 car. Heck, if you can buy a '63 Stingray coupe for $38k, you can surely buy an Avanti for $14k

**Dick Steinkamp** · 12-24-2007, 05:45 PM

Seems about right to me for a #3 car. Heck, if you can buy a '63 Stingray coupe for $38k, you can surely buy an Avanti for $14k

**wagone** · 12-25-2007, 08:54 AM

Nah Dick......they low balled the price. And the article says "in very good condition". Question: is a number three car in very good condition? I'm serious....is it? I would say a very good car is a number two. But this is always a debatable point.

wagone

**wagone** · 12-25-2007, 08:54 AM

Nah Dick......they low balled the price. And the article says "in very good condition". Question: is a number three car in very good condition? I'm serious....is it? I would say a very good car is a number two. But this is always a debatable point.

wagone

**JBOYLE** · 12-25-2007, 10:19 AM

These prices [u]must</u> be for #3 cars.
Only $38,000 for a 63 Corvette...or $14,000 for an R2...I know we're not talking about show cars here. (For the Corvette to be that price and in nice condition it would have to be a small block, strippo, non-numbers matching car. Which would be okay for me...but for a coupe, I'd like AC.)

I just saw the new Old Cars price giude...and $14,000 was for a #3 condition Avanti.
If I recall correctly, $20,00 was for #2, and $28 for a #1.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

**JBOYLE** · 12-25-2007, 10:19 AM

These prices [u]must</u> be for #3 cars.
Only $38,000 for a 63 Corvette...or $14,000 for an R2...I know we're not talking about show cars here. (For the Corvette to be that price and in nice condition it would have to be a small block, strippo, non-numbers matching car. Which would be okay for me...but for a coupe, I'd like AC.)

I just saw the new Old Cars price giude...and $14,000 was for a #3 condition Avanti.
If I recall correctly, $20,00 was for #2, and $28 for a #1.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

**studegary** · 12-25-2007, 03:18 PM

A "very good condition" car is a condition number 3. I would say that it looks like a three year old used car. It is what you see at most car shows.
A condition number 2 is a car that would normally place as a First. Condition number 1 cars are very seldom seen in Studebaker circles. This is a car done completely to professional standards, not driven and stored in a climate controlled environment.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

**studegary** · 12-25-2007, 03:18 PM

A "very good condition" car is a condition number 3. I would say that it looks like a three year old used car. It is what you see at most car shows.
A condition number 2 is a car that would normally place as a First. Condition number 1 cars are very seldom seen in Studebaker circles. This is a car done completely to professional standards, not driven and stored in a climate controlled environment.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

**Dick Steinkamp** · 12-25-2007, 03:28 PM

quote:Originally posted by studegary

A "very good condition" car is a condition number 3.

Correct...

Just a moment...

http://www.firsttraderegistry.com/old_cars_price_guide.htm

**Dick Steinkamp** · 12-25-2007, 03:28 PM

quote:Originally posted by studegary

A "very good condition" car is a condition number 3.

Correct...

Just a moment...

http://www.firsttraderegistry.com/old_cars_price_guide.htm

**Avantidon** · 12-26-2007, 06:47 AM

Many of you may know Dave Kinney and is a reknown auto appraiser. Dave publishes a quarterly guide for many makes of automobiles call "Cars That Matter'. he uses a scale of 4 condition ratings #4 (Fair), #3 (Good), #2 (Excellent) and #1 (Concourse). His explanation of each can be found at his website: www. carsthatmatter.com. He breaks down Avantis as follows:

63 R-1 #4 $13,000 #3 $ 17,800 #2 $24,900 and #1 $32,400
63 R-2 #$ $15,600 #3 $20,000 #2 $27,100 and #1 $38,800

He also has a different for 64's and adjusts for tranmissin types and factory A/C.

I know of a recent (last two weeks) 63 R-2 sale for an AACA Senior Award winner that exceeded the #2 price by over 10% so I guesss the Sun Times price is low.

BTW, Dave's book includes a lot of other Studebakers as well.

See you in the future as I write about our past

**Avantidon** · 12-26-2007, 06:47 AM

Many of you may know Dave Kinney and is a reknown auto appraiser. Dave publishes a quarterly guide for many makes of automobiles call "Cars That Matter'. he uses a scale of 4 condition ratings #4 (Fair), #3 (Good), #2 (Excellent) and #1 (Concourse). His explanation of each can be found at his website: www. carsthatmatter.com. He breaks down Avantis as follows:

63 R-1 #4 $13,000 #3 $ 17,800 #2 $24,900 and #1 $32,400
63 R-2 #$ $15,600 #3 $20,000 #2 $27,100 and #1 $38,800

He also has a different for 64's and adjusts for tranmissin types and factory A/C.

I know of a recent (last two weeks) 63 R-2 sale for an AACA Senior Award winner that exceeded the #2 price by over 10% so I guesss the Sun Times price is low.

BTW, Dave's book includes a lot of other Studebakers as well.

See you in the future as I write about our past

**53k** · 12-26-2007, 07:14 AM

quote:Originally posted by Avantidon

Many of you may know Dave Kinney and is a reknown auto appraiser. Dave publishes a quarterly guide for many makes of automobiles call "Cars That Matter'. he uses a scale of 4 condition ratings #4 (Fair), #3 (Good), #2 (Excellent) and #1 (Concourse). His explanation of each can be found at his website: www. carsthatmatter.com. He breaks down Avantis as follows:
63 R-1 #4 $13,000 #3 $ 17,800 #2 $24,900 and #1 $32,400
63 R-2 #$ $15,600 #3 $20,000 #2 $27,100 and #1 $38,800
He also has a different for 64's and adjusts for tranmissin types and factory A/C.
I know of a recent (last two weeks) 63 R-2 sale for an AACA Senior Award winner that exceeded the #2 price by over 10% so I guesss the Sun Times price is low.
BTW, Dave's book includes a lot of other Studebakers as well.

I wonder if Dave might have a tiny bit of Avanti bias

as he is a long-time Avanti owner/collector.
I have bought a three Avantis from him over the years and I was in his garage a couple years ago when I delivered my sold '64 R-2 to him to hold for its new owner. He has some impressive cars (three in his Great Falls, Virginia garage and other Avantis elsewhere in the country) plus some impressive parts (like several sets of Halibrands). NONE ARE FOR SALE!

[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

**53k** · 12-26-2007, 07:14 AM

quote:Originally posted by Avantidon

Many of you may know Dave Kinney and is a reknown auto appraiser. Dave publishes a quarterly guide for many makes of automobiles call "Cars That Matter'. he uses a scale of 4 condition ratings #4 (Fair), #3 (Good), #2 (Excellent) and #1 (Concourse). His explanation of each can be found at his website: www. carsthatmatter.com. He breaks down Avantis as follows:
63 R-1 #4 $13,000 #3 $ 17,800 #2 $24,900 and #1 $32,400
63 R-2 #$ $15,600 #3 $20,000 #2 $27,100 and #1 $38,800
He also has a different for 64's and adjusts for tranmissin types and factory A/C.
I know of a recent (last two weeks) 63 R-2 sale for an AACA Senior Award winner that exceeded the #2 price by over 10% so I guesss the Sun Times price is low.
BTW, Dave's book includes a lot of other Studebakers as well.

I wonder if Dave might have a tiny bit of Avanti bias

as he is a long-time Avanti owner/collector.
I have bought a three Avantis from him over the years and I was in his garage a couple years ago when I delivered my sold '64 R-2 to him to hold for its new owner. He has some impressive cars (three in his Great Falls, Virginia garage and other Avantis elsewhere in the country) plus some impressive parts (like several sets of Halibrands). NONE ARE FOR SALE!

[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

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