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earthtechy
09-16-2016, 11:41 AM
Saw this item on EBay below

Know which years it is correct?

http://m.ebay.com/itm/291573615921

thunderations
09-16-2016, 12:12 PM
66 only............and early production. Later ones were chrome. Louvers were for the flow-thru air from the passenger compartment, through the package shelf slots into the trunk and out the tail light housing.

Sam Ensley
09-16-2016, 12:13 PM
That is a 1966 light. The bars were part of the fresh air system.

StudeRich
09-16-2016, 12:52 PM
That looks like a NOS bare cast Tail Light Rim. There should still be big piles of the bare ones in South Bend.

They played a little game with the Painted vs Chrome Rims in '66, oddly the Lower Level Commanders & Daytonas had Chrome ones and Cruisers were Painted, later in the Model Run they started putting Chrome ones on Cruisers as well.

To install one on a '64 or '65 you would need the Flow Through Ventilation Tail Light Box and the whole Car Rear Panel or some mods to it plus the Lenses for the Bottom, are not the same as the Lenses for the Top as used on '64-'65's.

58459 58460 58461 A '64 Cruiser

8E45E
09-16-2016, 01:03 PM
They played a little game with the Painted vs Chrome Rims in '66, oddly the Lower Level Commanders had Chrome ones and Cruisers were Painted, later in the Model Run they started putting Chrome ones on Cruisers as well.

Rich, early Commanders were all body color, and Daytonas and Cruisers had only the louvers painted with chrome exposed around the lens. Later in the year, all models (except Wagonaire) got the entire chrome bezel.

Craig

StudeNewby
09-16-2016, 01:03 PM
Would one of these fit on a 64 or 65, just not being functional?

StudeRich
09-16-2016, 01:17 PM
Rich, early Commanders were all body color, and Daytonas and Cruisers had only the louvers painted with chrome exposed around the lens. Later in the year, all models (except Wagonaire) got the entire chrome bezel.
Craig

The Pics above kinda disprove that Paint & Chrome Theory don't they Craig? That must have only happened on sold in Canada Units, never saw one.

Here is another ALL Paint:
58462

8E45E
09-16-2016, 01:33 PM
The Pics above kinda disprove that Paint & Chrome Theory don't they Craig? That must have only happened on sold in Canada Units, never saw one.

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?33819-Lots-of-66-s!

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?46423-Let-s-see-those-66s!

Craig

Skip Lackie
09-16-2016, 03:37 PM
Would one of these fit on a 64 or 65, just not being functional?

Yes, but you'll lose your back up lights. The 66s had separate back up lights just above the bumper.

Studebakercenteroforegon
09-16-2016, 06:33 PM
There were indeed early vs. late editions - painted louvered area vs. chrome.
It is difficult to get electrolytic plating to "throw" correctly when the part geometry is like the slotted louvered feature. I'll bet the original intent was to have all chrome but plating problems forced them to regroup with the painted versions. I recall 3 variations - all painted, chrome lower bezel with painted louvered area, and finally, all chrome when they sort of solved the plating problem. I say sort of since the chrome was a little thin along the slotted features.
These running changes had nothing to do with Cruiser vs. Commander.

8E45E
09-16-2016, 07:16 PM
I recall 3 variations - all painted, chrome lower bezel with painted louvered area, and finally, all chrome when they sort of solved the plating problem. I say sort of since the chrome was a little thin along the slotted features. These running changes had nothing to do with Cruiser vs. Commander.

At the beginning of the year, Commanders had different part numbers from Daytona & Cruiser:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8339/29728054045_6df90fdcb4_b.jpg

The revised parts catalog insert shows the later all-chrome bezel for all models:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8262/29101333674_7722a04cb7_b.jpg

Craig

bill matwijec
09-16-2016, 09:44 PM
Just a quick question about the trunk pictures. I like the chrome piece on the third picture. Is it possible to find one and would it fit on my 65 commander?

Bullet
09-16-2016, 11:31 PM
Third picture chrome is a 64 Cruiser only item. I have seen them for sale at swap meets and yes they will fit on a 64 or 65 and even a 66 commander.

Mark

StudeRich
09-17-2016, 01:55 AM
Just a quick question about the trunk pictures. I like the chrome piece on the third picture. Is it possible to find one and would it fit on my 65 commander?

It was only used on '64 Cruisers but it is Aluminum and the Chrome Letters do not show on silver.

So what they should have done was Satin Black the center ribbed part or use the Very trendy in '64-'65, Walnut Vinyl trim used on other makes, Trucks and Station Wagons.

I do not believe the Second Series, Late '64's from Canada had these.

earthtechy
09-21-2016, 04:48 PM
Here is another 64 Daytona with the 66 tail lights - maybe it was offered?

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5788307718.html
58629

StudeRich
09-21-2016, 05:11 PM
Here is another 64 Daytona with the 66 tail lights - maybe it was offered?

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5788307718.html


Not a chance, just a owner mod, they had not been Mfg. yet. What other one? THIS is the ONLY '64 CAR with one here!

That one is probably a Challenger or Commander 2 Door Sedan, not a Daytona Hardtop. Obviously, the owner has not researched what he actually HAS. :(

However, you did see it on the World Wide Web, so it MUST be true! :lol:

2R5
09-21-2016, 05:16 PM
Not a chance, just a owner mod, they had not been Mfg. yet. What other one? THIS is the ONLY '64 CAR with one here!

That one is probably a Challenger or Commander 2 Door Sedan, not a Daytona Hardtop. Obviously, the owner has not researched what he actually HAS. :(


That could possibly be a 66 with a 64,65 grill installed

earthtechy
09-22-2016, 01:55 PM
Ok
Thank you.

StudeNorm
09-22-2016, 03:37 PM
A bit of sleuthing required.

The Craigslist car above does not and never had a vinyl roof so it's not a Sport Sedan. Roof, door and rear quarter panel paint match so the high body trim outline (seen in the paint) would be original to a '64/'65. The trunk is a different colour but shows no script or letters so it is possibly from a '66. Since the trunk was replaced it was probably damaged and the damage may have also been present in the tail lights so they would be replaced from the same donor car, hence the chrome '66 ventaire(?) housings. BTW, the low set backup lights on all '66's, and totally missing on this car, are from the '63 Wagonaire line. This car is NOT a 1966...

As to the question from the OP, it was answered previously but to recap, that part is from the 1966 model run.

GTCruiser
09-22-2016, 03:52 PM
My two cents. Fort more taillight light, I added '66 taillight lenses to bottom section of my '65 taillights in place of the backup light lenses and then added '66 backup lamps/lights. The two red lenses on the taillight lamps looked good, or at least I thought so. Had to modify the wiring for the taillights too.