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SN-60
07-30-2016, 11:43 AM
This is a photo of a NOS fiber timing gear I installed recently.....I've seen a few of these 'solid center' fiber timing gears, and I believe they're what Studebaker used in production in their '51-'54 V8's.. ........ then, in 1955, they began using the fiber timing gear with the 'X' center....Is this correct?....Or is this 'solid center' fiber gear actually a 'heavy duty' version of the 'X' center type fiber gear?:confused:....Opinions?

StudeRich
07-30-2016, 11:58 AM
What that is has nothing to do with Engine Size, Year or H.D.

It is an AFTERMARKET Copy of the Celeron Gear! They were sold by NAPA and others, I would not call that H.D. just a different design.

Studebaker only used Celeron Brand Fiber, 4 Spoke Cam gears in all except H.D. Truck Engines and Jet Thrust/Avanti Engines which as you know were Alcoa Aluminum spiral webbed not spoked, also not flat like current aftermarket H.D. Aluminum.

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SN-60
07-30-2016, 12:02 PM
What that is has nothing to do with Engine Size, Year or H.D.

It is an AFTERMARKET Copy of the Celeron Gear! They were sold by NAPA and others, I would not call that H.D. just a different design.

Studebaker only used Celeron Brand Fiber, 4 Spoke Cam gears in all except H.D. Truck Engines and Jet Thrust/Avanti Engines which as you know were Alcoa Aluminum spiral webbed not spoked, not flat like aftermarket Aluminum.



Wow!!...OK Rich....I had no idea those solid fiber timing gears are aftermarket. Once again, I thought they were early versions of the later gear...Thanks for that info!:!:

SN-60
07-30-2016, 01:30 PM
What that is has nothing to do with Engine Size, Year or H.D.

It is an AFTERMARKET Copy of the Celeron Gear! They were sold by NAPA and others, I would not call that H.D. just a different design.

Studebaker only used Celeron Brand Fiber, 4 Spoke Cam gears in all except H.D. Truck Engines and Jet Thrust/Avanti Engines which as you know were Alcoa Aluminum spiral webbed not spoked, also not flat like current aftermarket H.D. Aluminum.

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Yes, I recognized the flat aluminum gear as aftermarket....but didn't connect with the solid fiber gear.:)

rockne10
07-30-2016, 01:48 PM
I thought you knew everything there was to know about everything there was."Gee, I wouldn't like that. That would take all the mystery out of life."--Monty Python.

StudeRich
07-30-2016, 04:12 PM
Oh, Oh, Ed!! Unless that pic is an Optical Illusion, that Oil Slinger looks BACKWARDS! :eek:

It needs to face Forward to throw the Oil outward toward the Gears, I hope that Engine is coming apart, or a temp Install, NOT going back together! :ohmy:

Do I see a trace of '56-'57 Turquoise Green Engine Enamel on there, so not a 232?

SN-60
07-30-2016, 06:13 PM
Oh, Oh, Ed!! Unless that pic is an Optical Illusion, that Oil Slinger looks BACKWARDS! :eek:

It needs to face Forward to throw the Oil outward toward the Gears, I hope that Engine is coming apart, or a temp Install, NOT going back together! :ohmy:

Do I see a trace of '56-'57 Turquoise Green Engine Enamel on there, so not a 232?


err...ya, that's correct Rich...it's a 'temp install'! :whome:

StudeRich
07-30-2016, 06:16 PM
HA, ha! :yeahright: Lol!

SN-60
07-30-2016, 06:53 PM
Hey Rich,... Wanted to show everyone the final position of that oil slinger....SURE DON'T WANT ANY OF MY FANS TO GET THE WRONG IDEA!!!!!!! :woot: :D

StudeRich
07-30-2016, 07:51 PM
You have Fans? :ohmy: I only have distractors! :D

SN-60
07-30-2016, 10:29 PM
Here's another engine I 'dabbled' with...it's a 400 CI 'small block' Chevy.

Check out the amount of block 'sculpting' done at the factory to allow that long stroke crank to swing inside an engine that started life at 265 CI!! :ohmy:

Too bad Stude engineers didn't plan ahead for the displacement of the Studebaker V8 to be increased to this extent!:(

JoeHall
07-30-2016, 10:35 PM
Hey Rich,... Wanted to show everyone the final position of that oil slinger....SURE DON'T WANT ANY OF MY FANS TO GET THE WRONG IDEA!!!!!!! :woot: :D

That block looks to have the early type frost/frosty/freeze/freeze out/block/water jacket plugs. ;)

SN-60
07-30-2016, 10:38 PM
That block looks to have the early type frost/frosty/freeze/freeze out/block/water jacket plugs. ;)

Yep, it's a '55 259 CI, and the frosty plugs are brass 'marine type' from Dave Thibeault. :)

SN-60
07-30-2016, 10:43 PM
We talk about the rarity of 'big port' R3-4 Stude V8 heads,...check out the size of these intake ports...and their not even HP models!! :woot:

SN-60
07-31-2016, 11:19 AM
In this impromtu comparison of a Studebaker V8 vs. Chevrolet V8, we find this particular Chev engine has 141CI on the Stude.....However, in my opinion, the Chevrolet cast iron crankshaft, and 'toylike' main bearings and caps seem puny in comparison to the Studebaker's forged steel crank, and 'beefy', main bearings and caps....One reason why Studebaker engines rarely had 'bottom end' problems, while other engines, like this 400CI Chevy, did! :ohmy:

sweetolbob
07-31-2016, 01:20 PM
Yup!!! Nothing but junk. Hardly ever saw those stock SBC's do well in drag racing! 1962 NHRA stock record holders.

http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww193/tk3300/1962NHRAClassstockrecords.jpg

SN-60
07-31-2016, 04:20 PM
Another example of GM 'marginal-engineering'.... the 'toy-like' 5/8" (socket size) crankshaft damper retaining bolt.....Compare that with the 'bulletproof' Studebaker 1 1/2" (socket size) version!! :!:

SN-60
07-31-2016, 04:25 PM
You have Fans? :ohmy: I only have distractors! :D

But Rich,...I'M a fan of yours!!! :):!:

studegary
07-31-2016, 07:23 PM
Too bad Stude engineers didn't plan ahead for the displacement of the Studebaker V8 to be increased to this extent!:(

Chevrolet 265 to 400 is a 51% increase. Studebaker 224 to 304.5 is a 36% increase. The Studebaker V8 would have to go to 338 cid to be an equivalent increase.

SN-60
07-31-2016, 07:46 PM
Well Gary, apparently Studebaker engineers WERE thinking of pushing out to 340 CI...In your proposal, that would have meant the engines actually WERE equivalent, in CI expansion potential anyway! :ohmy:

SN-60
07-31-2016, 07:54 PM
Here's a good view of a super-sturdy forged steel Studebaker crankshaft:)...compared to the fragile cast iron Chevrolet version!:(

StudeRich
07-31-2016, 08:05 PM
That right there, is what makes the Stude. V8 a better Engine to Turbo or Supercharge! :!:

That and the stronger block.

SN-60
08-01-2016, 01:12 PM
That right there, is what makes the Stude. V8 a better Engine to Turbo or Supercharge! :!:

That and the stronger block.

RIGHT!!...GM had forged cranks available as well as four bolt main caps, but that stuff was for the most part optional, heavy duty components......

Studebaker offered HD components as STANDARD EQUIPMENT in their "everyman's" cars) :)