No other Ford, Chrysler or GM compact had the power to weight ratio of a Lark VIII back in the day. My 60 Hardtop was almost race ready right off the showroom floor. The addition of Traction bars to keep the rear end from wrapping up made a world of difference.
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I remember back in high school, my 59 Lark VIII was pretty fast. No one wanted to race me (with another "stock" car).
Now, though, it doesn't seem to have the power that I recall it having. I have changed the rear end gears multiple times, and I think I finally have it back to the original and it hardly pulls the hat off your head. I used to power brake it and smoke the tires off it, but now it can barely cut loose the tires unless there is LOTS of loose gravel.
Maybe I was just young and dumb with more right foot than brains........Dis-Use on a Car is Worse Than Mis-Use...
1959 Studebaker Lark VIII 2DHTP
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Originally posted by BILT4ME View PostI remember back in high school, my 59 Lark VIII was pretty fast. No one wanted to race me (with another "stock" car).
Now, though, it doesn't seem to have the power that I recall it having. I have changed the rear end gears multiple times, and I think I finally have it back to the original and it hardly pulls the hat off your head. I used to power brake it and smoke the tires off it, but now it can barely cut loose the tires unless there is LOTS of loose gravel.
Maybe I was just young and dumb with more right foot than brains........
Seems most folks don't have much regard for the factory ignition timing, advance curve, etc, etc, etc.
But Lots of things may have strayed pretty far from "like new" after 50 plus years, so a comprehensive effort to get all the systems back in good, stock condition might bring a nice improvement.
Maybe a compression test to start, followed up with a complete tune up, as described in the shop manual. Not just a plugs-n-points "tune up."
I had a Corvair that had filled some of its intake ports almost completely with stick black carbon. I discovered THAT on the way to a rebuild with a hot rod cam and big valve heads, so how much better it might have run with a simple "de-coke" can only be a guess.Last edited by Dan Timberlake; 03-30-2016, 04:46 PM.
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Originally posted by Dan Timberlake View Post==============
Seems most folks don't have much regard for the factory ignition timing, advance curve, etc, etc, etc.
But Lots of things may have strayed pretty far from "like new" after 50 plus years, so a comprehensive effort to get all the systems back in good, stock condition might bring a nice improvement.
Maybe a compression test to start, followed up with a complete tune up, as described in the shop manual. Not just a plugs-n-points "tune up."
I had a Corvair that had filled some of its intake ports almost completely with stick black carbon. I discovered THAT on the way to a rebuild with a hot rod cam and big valve heads, so how much better it might have run with a simple "de-coke" can only be a guess.
Good points, Dan. My impression of the 259 has always been a positive one. I put one in a GT Hawk combined with a 5 spd stick and 3.73 gears. It was very quick and yielded 25 mpg to boot.
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I'm finishing up an article for TW about the Holman and Moody Larks; one of them was timed at 138 mph on the back straight of Sebring, and that was with an unsupercharged 259 V8. It had a cam kit and was carefully set up, of course. Also, Studebaker claimed a 0-60 time of 9.5 seconds for a 1959/1960 Lark V8 with Power Kit. That was pretty fast for 1959; that time was backed up by several magazine tests. The December 1958 Motor Life got 0-60 in 10.3 sec. for a '59 Lark HT with 259/2-barrel/Fightomatic/3.54 axle, and several other magazines got Larks into the high nines with 259/2-barrel and standard transmission.
Georgegeorge krem
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Originally posted by BILT4ME View PostI remember back in high school, my 59 Lark VIII was pretty fast. No one wanted to race me (with another "stock" car).
Now, though, it doesn't seem to have the power that I recall it having. I have changed the rear end gears multiple times, and I think I finally have it back to the original and it hardly pulls the hat off your head. I used to power brake it and smoke the tires off it, but now it can barely cut loose the tires unless there is LOTS of loose gravel.
Maybe I was just young and dumb with more right foot than brains........
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Originally posted by karterfred88 View PostRemember also, tire technology has changed a lot. Those hard as a rock narrow bias ply tires are now longer lasting, stickier radials that are much harder to break loose and spin--really cuts down on the "fun factor"."In the heart of Arkansas."
Searcy, Arkansas
1952 Commander 2 door. Really fine 259.
1952 2R pickup
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I am not sure what you include with "back in the day". I have owned many 259/289 Larks. The 1959-1961 models were quicker than most of the competition, primarliy due to the weight difference. If you get up to 1964, things went away from Larks being up front. For example, at the same time, I owned a low mileage 1964 Daytona hardtop with 259 and AT and a 1964 Plymouth Valiant Signet hardtop with 273 and Torqueflite. The Studebaker was no match for the Plymouth.
EDIT: Before someone retorts with high performace engine options for 1964 Studebakers, I also owned (from new) a 1964 Plymouth Fury hardtop with hipo 383 and Torqueflite as well as a 1964 Studebaker Avanti with R1 and AT. The Plymouth seemed much faster.Gary L.
Wappinger, NY
SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer
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Originally posted by clonelark View PostAt the drag strips in Tulsa in 1960 the Ford Starliner 352 - 360 HP and the Corvette 270 HP (don't remember any 315 HP 283 FI Vettes running) was king. Just sayin.Tom - Bradenton, FL
1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2514.10)
1964 Studebaker Commander - 170 1V, 3-Speed w/OD
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I'd be interested to see how my little '60 Marshal 2-door sedan would do against other 1960 offerings in pure stock. Do a complete factory spec blueprint of the original 289 power kit taken to legal PSMC specs and gear accordingly. The original water cooled HD Flite-o-matic might eat up a few horsepower over a T-86, but probably still a good choice without the option of a 4-speed. I believe even the mighty "300" would have it's hands full with the weight difference.Skinny___'59 Lark VIII Regal____'60 Lark Marshal___
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Originally posted by Skinnys Garage View PostI'd be interested to see how my little '60 Marshal 2-door sedan would do against other 1960 offerings in pure stock. Do a complete factory spec blueprint of the original 289 power kit taken to legal PSMC specs and gear accordingly. The original water cooled HD Flite-o-matic might eat up a few horsepower over a T-86, but probably still a good choice without the option of a 4-speed. I believe even the mighty "300" would have it's hands full with the weight difference.Gary L.
Wappinger, NY
SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer
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I would have to agree with the Mopar offerings being quite formidable, I reluctantly had the pleasure of some "community service" in 1964 and part of that was, washing police cars. When everyone left for lunch let's just say "I tested the transmissions and tires on most of them," and they were fast. BTW, my community service was for "Street racing!"sigpic
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"The older we get, the faster we wuz"
In my recollections, the glory days of the Studes on the street were '51-59. The OHV8s with solid lifters and overdrive could usually handle the flathead V8s, stovebolt 6-cyls and most of the two-speed automatic V8s of the day. Ted's string of class wins at the drag strip showed what a prepared Stude could do stock-against-stock. But even then, he was running way down the alphabet, maybe K/Stock?
When the Golden Hawks came along, they could usually pull the T-bird, Corvette and 300s in the magazine road tests of the day.
However, by 1960, when the Big Three came out with their own big block big cube performance cars, as the previously mentioned 360hp Ford, 348" tri-power Chevs, 413" Mopars, owning a Stude was bringing a knife to a gunfight. That's why the NHRA had weight/horsepower factored classes; to give everyone a place to run and a chance to win, like-against-like.
The last brief blaze of glory were the '63-64 R2s and those nine R3s; we don't have to wonder if they were quick. Each year at the PSMCDR, they still take it to the big guys.PackardV8
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