I know this is a sin above all other sins that I've done in my short life.BUT, I have a 62 Hawk 4 speed that has not had an engine or tranny in it for years. The engine needs to be rebuilt the tranny I'm not sure about. I have a 64 Cruiser with a 259 automatic. The engine runs good (if I'd quit messin' with it) I keep making improvements as money allows. I'd rather be playin' with the Hawk I can't afford to do both. So the demented thought for the day is to put the 259 w/automatic in the Hawk and drive it. Or the 259 and 4 speed which needs clutch pressure plate work and a throw out bearing. Any thoughts pro or con would be appreciated as I've thunked this thing to death. Momma says no more money in the Cruiser she wants to ride in the Hawk. Jeeez
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MY opinion; you and "Mama" may not agree.
You will be happiest with the 259 and the original Clutch Linkage, Clutch and Transmission, IF you can save that Trans. It CAN really Co$t to totally rebuild one.
You really don't want to modify an original 4 Speed Car if you can avoid it, and an Engine swap to a 259 is no big deal.
The only downside is having to Dial-in the Clutch Housing to fit/center on the "New" Engine, which you have read about here enough to know it is a bit of work but not really hard to do.StudeRich
Second Generation Stude Driver,
Proud '54 Starliner Owner
SDC Member Since 1967
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Originally posted by StudeRich View PostMY opinion; you and "Mama" may not agree.
You will be happiest with the 259 and the original Clutch Linkage, Clutch and Transmission, IF you can save that Trans. It CAN really Co$t to totally rebuild one.
You really don't want to modify an original 4 Speed Car if you can avoid it, and an Engine swap to a 259 is no big deal.
The only downside is having to Dial-in the Clutch Housing to fit/center on the "New" Engine, which you have read about here enough to know it is a bit of work but not really hard to do.
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If you are saying that the Power Steering is from a Lark or Lark Type, no it is not a bolt-in only a few pieces are like; the Pump and brackets, pulleys, control Valve less the reach Rod portion, the Ram assy. should work but the Bellcrank will be different. I do not know without looking it up if the Pitman Arm will transfer.StudeRich
Second Generation Stude Driver,
Proud '54 Starliner Owner
SDC Member Since 1967
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Originally posted by StudeRich View PostIf you are saying that the Power Steering is from a Lark or Lark Type, no it is not a bolt-in only a few pieces are like; the Pump and brackets, pulleys, control Valve less the reach Rod portion, the Ram assy. should work but the Bellcrank will be different. I do not know without looking it up if the Pitman Arm will transfer.
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Originally posted by studeluvr View PostI know this is a sin above all other sins that I've done in my short life.BUT, I have a 62 Hawk 4 speed that has not had an engine or tranny in it for years. The engine needs to be rebuilt the tranny I'm not sure about. I have a 64 Cruiser with a 259 automatic. The engine runs good (if I'd quit messin' with it) I keep making improvements as money allows. I'd rather be playin' with the Hawk I can't afford to do both. So the demented thought for the day is to put the 259 w/automatic in the Hawk and drive it. Or the 259 and 4 speed which needs clutch pressure plate work and a throw out bearing. Any thoughts pro or con would be appreciated as I've thunked this thing to death. Momma says no more money in the Cruiser she wants to ride in the Hawk. Jeeez
These are some of the questions you need to resolve in going forward. Posting your concerns here is part of that process. The reason I'm raising these issues is because I've seen such projects, where, two good potential restorable vehicles were combined into one mediocre, less than satisfactory performing, vehicle. Then, the owner becomes disillusioned, discouraged, abandons, and sells off both vehicles. It is truly a dilemma that, only you, can resolve to your satisfaction. By the time you gut the power-train of one car for another, the effort and expense could easily out distance the cost of repairing the existing engine and transmission. (By reading your original post, you still have them.)
If you're not sure, get some knowledgeable, friendly mechanical "eyes" to examine the original parts. Tear into it and determine what's really there. See what the specs are. If a rebuild can be done without extreme machine work and modifications, you might end up with a good running hawk and Cruiser. Also, you could sell the Cruiser for the funds to finish the Hawk.
What ever you do...good luck. Keep in touch.John Clary
Greer, SC
SDC member since 1975
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Fred, don't play your self short, you can make this happen it you want and I know you have help when needed there in town. every thing with the power steering will interchange except for the reach rod, I have a hawk one on the shelf and since you have the 64 with the parts at hand you have every thing you will need but be sure you take every thing , the lower pulley spacer and longer bolts, crank bolt too, the special bolts for the pump to the engine, the bracket that holds the ram to the frame and the special bell crank. the Pittman arm comes with the valve and should fit right on to the hawk box, just need the reach rod also there is a 1/2" round spacer that sits under the driver side rear motor mount that tilts the rear that much. not much extra work with engine out of the car, good luck you should like the hawk with either engine...BobCandbstudebakers
Castro Valley,
California
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Sounds like you're making more of this than is necessary. Just transplant the 259 into the Hawk. Don't open that trans till you've had a chance to drive it. It sounds like money is part of the problem, so why invite trouble? Get a new clutch for it, dial in the engine to the bell housing and install it. Save the Hawk engine for the next time. You'll love the 259 in the Hawk. Sell the Cruiser and move on. You'll make yourself happier and it sounds like Mama wants the Hawk on the road. How on Earth do you lose in that equation?? Then you can focus on the Hawk and have some fun taking Mama out on date night in a great looking classic car. She'll love you for it.sals54
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Originally posted by Alan View PostI feel the same way. Rebuild the full flow block and drop it in the Hawk. If Mama isn't happy there is nobody happy.Candbstudebakers
Castro Valley,
California
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Originally posted by candbstudebakers View PostFred is pulling every body's leg about mama not being happy, any one that knows Fred and Erica know she runs the show and is Studebaker all the way, two of the best Studebaker people you want to know, in fact even if they were not Studebaker people they would be right on top of my list .
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Its a sad and sometimes cold hearted thing to have to do, but sometimes ya gotta put a bullet in her and harvest the organs. Many others will stay alive with her sacrifice. God Bless her. ( BTW, Ya know I'm talkin bout the Cruiser, right? )sals54
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