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nickaboni2
11-06-2007, 01:52 PM
WHAT KIND OF ENGINE FOR A 51 STARLIGHT COUPE HOT ROD[?]

studegary
11-06-2007, 02:07 PM
Whatever you want <G>. Since it is to be a modified regular driver, I would go with a late Chevrolet V-8 with a fuel injection set-up.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
11-06-2007, 02:07 PM
Whatever you want <G>. Since it is to be a modified regular driver, I would go with a late Chevrolet V-8 with a fuel injection set-up.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

JRoberts
11-06-2007, 02:24 PM
It truely is up to you, but I love to see such cars with a hot rod Studebaker engine. Not necessarily a supercharged engine but a strong carburetor motor would be just fine, maybe with two dueces or some such thing.



Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

JRoberts
11-06-2007, 02:24 PM
It truely is up to you, but I love to see such cars with a hot rod Studebaker engine. Not necessarily a supercharged engine but a strong carburetor motor would be just fine, maybe with two dueces or some such thing.



Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

DEEPNHOCK
11-06-2007, 02:49 PM
Nick...
Welcome to the forum...
If this is your first Studebaker, then you have found a great place for information about your Stude.
But it isn't necessarily a great place to ask how to build up a hot rod Stude.

Hot rods, by nature are a reflection on the individual builders tates, and fabricatng abilities.

Some people have great idea's, and no fabricating abilities.
Some people just want to write the check and get it done.
Some people can't afford the hobby and have to cut corners or swap and trade their way along...
No one process has all the benefits and none of the pain that it takes to 'build' a Stude.

You will find that most of the people here prefer their Stude's stock, or only lightly modified.
That's fine.
There are decades of knowledge here.
What almost everyone here will agree on is that a Studebaker should NOT just be slapped together on the cheap.
Treat her like a nice lady that has had a hard working life.
She'll appreciate all the attention and loving care you give to her.
She will treat you well in her retirement years....
Slap her together, and she'll bite you.

Just put a realistic plan together for what you want, and set goals.
Working toward the goal makes the journey that much more fun!
Good luck....and do good work.
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by nickaboni2

WHAT KIND OF ENGINE FOR A 51 STARLIGHT COUPE HOT ROD[?]

DEEPNHOCK
11-06-2007, 02:49 PM
Nick...
Welcome to the forum...
If this is your first Studebaker, then you have found a great place for information about your Stude.
But it isn't necessarily a great place to ask how to build up a hot rod Stude.

Hot rods, by nature are a reflection on the individual builders tates, and fabricatng abilities.

Some people have great idea's, and no fabricating abilities.
Some people just want to write the check and get it done.
Some people can't afford the hobby and have to cut corners or swap and trade their way along...
No one process has all the benefits and none of the pain that it takes to 'build' a Stude.

You will find that most of the people here prefer their Stude's stock, or only lightly modified.
That's fine.
There are decades of knowledge here.
What almost everyone here will agree on is that a Studebaker should NOT just be slapped together on the cheap.
Treat her like a nice lady that has had a hard working life.
She'll appreciate all the attention and loving care you give to her.
She will treat you well in her retirement years....
Slap her together, and she'll bite you.

Just put a realistic plan together for what you want, and set goals.
Working toward the goal makes the journey that much more fun!
Good luck....and do good work.
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by nickaboni2

WHAT KIND OF ENGINE FOR A 51 STARLIGHT COUPE HOT ROD[?]

nickaboni2
11-06-2007, 03:03 PM
h ave donea frame up total restoration of a 63 full package hawk
want this car to be absolutely awesome
and cost is not the main concern quality is

nickaboni2
11-06-2007, 03:03 PM
h ave donea frame up total restoration of a 63 full package hawk
want this car to be absolutely awesome
and cost is not the main concern quality is

whacker
11-06-2007, 06:41 PM
Early Cadillac V8 is an easy swap, can be made to look good, too. I've seen one with a 3800 supercharged Buick V6 that looked OK. If you are going for a big power engine, you need to replace the rear end as well, as the little Dana 27 will not hold up well for long. You should also be looking at a disk brake conversion with a dual master cylinder as well. Good luck with your hot rod project.

whacker
11-06-2007, 06:41 PM
Early Cadillac V8 is an easy swap, can be made to look good, too. I've seen one with a 3800 supercharged Buick V6 that looked OK. If you are going for a big power engine, you need to replace the rear end as well, as the little Dana 27 will not hold up well for long. You should also be looking at a disk brake conversion with a dual master cylinder as well. Good luck with your hot rod project.

Dick Steinkamp
11-06-2007, 07:16 PM
Studebaker V8
Small Block Chevy
Big Block Chevy
Nail Head Buick
Chrysler Hemi
Desoto Hemi
Dodge Hemi
Early Cadillac
Late Cadillac
Northstar
New Gen Chevy V8
Olds Rocket V8
FE Ford

(probably missed a few of my favorites :D)

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
11-06-2007, 07:16 PM
Studebaker V8
Small Block Chevy
Big Block Chevy
Nail Head Buick
Chrysler Hemi
Desoto Hemi
Dodge Hemi
Early Cadillac
Late Cadillac
Northstar
New Gen Chevy V8
Olds Rocket V8
FE Ford

(probably missed a few of my favorites :D)

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

cjsteak
11-06-2007, 07:22 PM
I'm not sure if you're biased towards any American make or not, but I know I am! Aside from the "wierd or freak" cars i've had in the past, when it comes down to one of the big 3, i'll always be a Ford guy. A 302 small block is extremely versatile, and with the distributor on the front it could help out with firewall clearance issues. This can also assist you with moving the engine a little further back. You can stroke the 302 to a 347 and get a ton of power and torque out of it. They make great nitrous motors as well.

I crammed a 302 in my little '68 Triumph GT6 without any major issues. It looked like a totally stock car from the outside, and with all the aluminum accessories I had on the engine, it weight 100 pounds less than the iron block straight six that was in it. The car also ran 11's on street tires on a moderately agressive tune. In my opinion, the Chevy 350 is a great engine, but it's a bit over done in the aftermarket crowd. It's common for a reason, they're cheap and good engines. They're just not for me. I like my little 302's, and for swaps you couldn't ask for much more... unless you're wanting a dragster but that's a totally different story.

I'm not going to say that a Chevy being 100% cheaper to hotrod than a Ford is a wives tale (years ago it was true)... but if you really look at prices on Summit racing or some other speed shop catalog, quality parts are going to cost about the same for both Chevy or Ford. You can find cheap hot rod parts for both makes too, and even those are priced pretty equally. Now if you're talking big blocks, yes the Chevy's are cheaper. I'll admit to that one. lol :D

Just my 2 cents...[^]

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop

cjsteak
11-06-2007, 07:22 PM
I'm not sure if you're biased towards any American make or not, but I know I am! Aside from the "wierd or freak" cars i've had in the past, when it comes down to one of the big 3, i'll always be a Ford guy. A 302 small block is extremely versatile, and with the distributor on the front it could help out with firewall clearance issues. This can also assist you with moving the engine a little further back. You can stroke the 302 to a 347 and get a ton of power and torque out of it. They make great nitrous motors as well.

I crammed a 302 in my little '68 Triumph GT6 without any major issues. It looked like a totally stock car from the outside, and with all the aluminum accessories I had on the engine, it weight 100 pounds less than the iron block straight six that was in it. The car also ran 11's on street tires on a moderately agressive tune. In my opinion, the Chevy 350 is a great engine, but it's a bit over done in the aftermarket crowd. It's common for a reason, they're cheap and good engines. They're just not for me. I like my little 302's, and for swaps you couldn't ask for much more... unless you're wanting a dragster but that's a totally different story.

I'm not going to say that a Chevy being 100% cheaper to hotrod than a Ford is a wives tale (years ago it was true)... but if you really look at prices on Summit racing or some other speed shop catalog, quality parts are going to cost about the same for both Chevy or Ford. You can find cheap hot rod parts for both makes too, and even those are priced pretty equally. Now if you're talking big blocks, yes the Chevy's are cheaper. I'll admit to that one. lol :D

Just my 2 cents...[^]

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop

Dick Steinkamp
11-06-2007, 07:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by cjsteak
A 302 small block is extremely versatile, and with the distributor on the front it could help out with firewall clearance issues.

A Ford small block is actually longer than a SBC, so the same or even more firewall issues.

The biggest drawback to a Ford in a Stude is the front sump in a Ford. It doesn't work in a Stude. There are ways around that if you REALLY want one, however.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
11-06-2007, 07:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by cjsteak
A 302 small block is extremely versatile, and with the distributor on the front it could help out with firewall clearance issues.

A Ford small block is actually longer than a SBC, so the same or even more firewall issues.

The biggest drawback to a Ford in a Stude is the front sump in a Ford. It doesn't work in a Stude. There are ways around that if you REALLY want one, however.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Swifster
11-06-2007, 07:45 PM
I'd also look at a 4.3L V6 or maybe a 215/300 Olds/Buick from the early '60's.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

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Swifster
11-06-2007, 07:45 PM
I'd also look at a 4.3L V6 or maybe a 215/300 Olds/Buick from the early '60's.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

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cjsteak
11-06-2007, 07:51 PM
Here's a great site for V8 swaps into small cars.

http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/motors.htm

That link will show you a comparison chart that will get you in the neighborhood for weights and measurements of common swap engines, back to back.

I used this site alot for my GT6 swap. The Chevy engine is about 1 inch longer than the Ford. The Ford is a couple inches narrower than the Chevy though. I'm not as familiar with Studebakers and how wide they are under the hood, but I do know that with my GT6 it was a very attractive advantage when it came to steering and header clearance. You can make up for the difference in length with different water pumps, choice of fan etc etc... The weight difference is a nice advantage too. As for the oil pan sump issue, Ford truck 302's and Ford car 302's had the sumps on opposite ends. I found a reverse sump pan from a junkyard for 5 bucks that worked great. All in all my GT6 looked like it came with the 302 from the factory, much like a stock Sunbeam Tiger.

Either engine is an outstanding choice for a swap (eventhough I side with the guys that say keep a Chevy in a Chevy, a Ford in a Ford, and a Studebaker in a Studebaker! :D)

Just remember that no matter which engine you choose, this one saying rings true... "Measure twice, cut ONCE!" :)

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop

cjsteak
11-06-2007, 07:51 PM
Here's a great site for V8 swaps into small cars.

http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/motors.htm

That link will show you a comparison chart that will get you in the neighborhood for weights and measurements of common swap engines, back to back.

I used this site alot for my GT6 swap. The Chevy engine is about 1 inch longer than the Ford. The Ford is a couple inches narrower than the Chevy though. I'm not as familiar with Studebakers and how wide they are under the hood, but I do know that with my GT6 it was a very attractive advantage when it came to steering and header clearance. You can make up for the difference in length with different water pumps, choice of fan etc etc... The weight difference is a nice advantage too. As for the oil pan sump issue, Ford truck 302's and Ford car 302's had the sumps on opposite ends. I found a reverse sump pan from a junkyard for 5 bucks that worked great. All in all my GT6 looked like it came with the 302 from the factory, much like a stock Sunbeam Tiger.

Either engine is an outstanding choice for a swap (eventhough I side with the guys that say keep a Chevy in a Chevy, a Ford in a Ford, and a Studebaker in a Studebaker! :D)

Just remember that no matter which engine you choose, this one saying rings true... "Measure twice, cut ONCE!" :)

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop

Dick Steinkamp
11-06-2007, 08:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by cjsteak
The Chevy engine is about 1 inch longer than the Ford.


The chart you link to shows the Chevy as an inch shorter.

This one shows it 2 1/2" shorter

http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/swapchart.html

I think they'll both fit, however. That Stude V8 is about as big as a big block Chevy (dimensionally)






http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
11-06-2007, 08:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by cjsteak
The Chevy engine is about 1 inch longer than the Ford.


The chart you link to shows the Chevy as an inch shorter.

This one shows it 2 1/2" shorter

http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/swapchart.html

I think they'll both fit, however. That Stude V8 is about as big as a big block Chevy (dimensionally)






http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

cjsteak
11-06-2007, 08:14 PM
Whoops! I meant to say that the Ford was longer. My mistake.

You can put any engine into any car with enough work. Hell, i've seen a 350 Chevy in a riding lawnmower (do a google search, they're out there and have a club I believe). Funk conversions were also popular to put a Ford flathead in an 8N Ford tractor.

Do the homework and if possible, take a day trip out to a junkyard and start measuring engines. Internet advice is great, but when it comes to technical specs (as shown) it does differ from place to place and nothing is as written in stone as a measuring tape and your own crooked eye. :D

Dick, I like that you placed a Desoto and a Nailhead in your list of cool engine swaps. You sir, have good taste. :)

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop

cjsteak
11-06-2007, 08:14 PM
Whoops! I meant to say that the Ford was longer. My mistake.

You can put any engine into any car with enough work. Hell, i've seen a 350 Chevy in a riding lawnmower (do a google search, they're out there and have a club I believe). Funk conversions were also popular to put a Ford flathead in an 8N Ford tractor.

Do the homework and if possible, take a day trip out to a junkyard and start measuring engines. Internet advice is great, but when it comes to technical specs (as shown) it does differ from place to place and nothing is as written in stone as a measuring tape and your own crooked eye. :D

Dick, I like that you placed a Desoto and a Nailhead in your list of cool engine swaps. You sir, have good taste. :)

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop

fastfritz
11-06-2007, 08:18 PM
If weight is an issue, here is a handy engine weight guide. There is almost every brand of engine listed here. Also handy if you need to factor in the weight of a Marmon V-16; only 281 pounds more than a Studebaker 289!!

AMC V8 540 (one ref showed 600)
AMC 6 500
Audi 2.0 L4 335 (2)
Audi 5 364 (2) (non-turbo)
Audi 80 1300 230 (2)
Audi 100 1500 240 (2)
Austin C-series L6 562 (2) ('56 Austin-Healey 100-6)
BL "B" L4 OHV 335 (2)
BL "E" L6 345 (2)("complete")
BL "O" L4 OHC 298 (2)
BMW M52 3.3,3.5 Big Six 500 (2)
BMW M60 Small Six 388 (2)
BMW slant-6 turbodiesel 430
BMW 4.5L V12 607 (2)
BMW M105 Diesel 6 2.5L 430 (4)
Buick 350 450
Buick 401 685 (1)('59 Nail Head)
Buick 430-455 V8 600 (one ref showed 640)
Buick 1963 odd-fire V6 414 (2)
Buick V6 375
Buick 3.0 V6 '85-up 350
Buick/Rover 215 V8 318 (and Olds)
Buick 1961 215 V8 324 (2)
Cadillac V8 390 720 (1)('59)
Cadillac V8 472-500 625
Cadillac V-16 1,300(2)(1931)
Cadillac 331 V8 699 (2)(1949)
Chevy Corvair flat 6 300
Chevy 1.8-2.0 L4 302 (4)"J car" pushrod
Chevy Chevette 1.6 SOHC 300 (4)(also Opel)
Chevy Vega L4 285
Chevy II 153 L4 350
Chevy L6 194-250 440
Chevy L6 292 ---
Chevy L6 216/235 630 (2)
Chevy V6-90 229, 4.3 425
Chevy V6-60 2.8, 3.1 350 (2)
Chevy small block V8 575 (generic for '60s-'70s motors)
Chevy small block V8 535 (1)('59 Corvette 283 w/alum. intake)
Chevy V8 348/409 620 (1)
Chevy big block V8 685 Mark IV
Chevy big block V8 --- Mark V
Chrysler 2.2 L4 216 (6)(bare motor)
Chrysler 413 wedge 640 (1)('59 300-E)
Chrysler 331 Hemi 745 (5)1955
Citroen 2.0 Douvrin 4 263
DeSoto 383 630 (1)('59)
DeSoto V8 675 (5)(276-341 CID, '50s)
Dodge V8 645 (5)(241-325 CID, '50s)
Dodge 361 625 (1)('59)
Edsel 361 680 (1)('59)
Ferrari 312T 397 (2)(V12 3.0L racing engine)
Ferrari "250" V12 382 (2)
FIAT/Ferrari Dino V6 285 (2)(model 206)
FIAT/Ferrari Dino V6 296 (2)(model 246)
Ford Kent 1600 ---
Ford Escort OHC 1600 ---
Ford 1.3-2.0 OHC ---
Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 418 (2)(also 2.0, 2.5)
Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 450 (2)(turbo)
Ford Germany Taunus V4 205 (2)(and SAAB V4)
Ford England Essex V4 327
Ford Germany 2.0-2.8 V6 305
Ford England Essex V6 379 (2)(3 liter)
Ford 3.8 V6-90 351 (4)(w/start, alt, less clutch)
Ford 170-250 L6 385 (except Australian w/aluminum head)
Ford flathead V8 525
Ford flathead V8 569 (1)('53 239 CID)
Ford Cosworth DFV 353 (2)(racing engine, DOHC, 3.0L)
Ford 255 Windsor 468 (4)
Ford 289/302 V8 460 (late 5.0s are a bit lighter)
Ford BOSS 302 500
Ford 351 Cleveland 550 (includes BOSS and Australian 302-C)
Ford 351 Windsor 510
Ford Y block V8 625 (272-312 CID)
Ford FE big block 650 (332-428 CID)
Ford FE big block 670 (1)('59 352 CID)
Ford 429/460 V8 640
Ford BOSS 429 680 (iron block, aluminum heads)
Isuzu 1.8 Diesel L4 384 (4)
Isuzu 1.8 gas L4 311 (4)
Jaguar V12 680
Lincoln 430 740 (1)('59) (also Mercury 430)
Lotus 907 (Esprit) 275 (3)(inc. alt. & starter, no clutch)
Marmon V-16 931 (2)(1931)
Mercedes SOHC V8 alum. 452 (2)
Mercedes SOHC V8 iron 540 (2)
Mopar Slant Six 475
Mopar 273-340 "A" V8 525
Mopar 360 "A" 550
Mopar 361-383-400 V8 620 (5)
Mopar 413-426W-440 V8 670 (5)
Mopar Street Hemi 765 (690 bare)
Nissan 240-300Z 6 ---
Nissan CA20 FWD 269 (4)belt cam
Nissan Z20 NAPS-Z 2.0 346 (4)RWD chain cam
Olds 215 V8 318 (same as Buick/Rover)
Olds 260 V8 ---
Olds 304 "Rocket" V8 671 (2)first Olds V8, 1949
Olds straight-8 614 (2)'40s motor
Olds 330 J2 700 (first generation V8)
Olds 33

fastfritz
11-06-2007, 08:18 PM
If weight is an issue, here is a handy engine weight guide. There is almost every brand of engine listed here. Also handy if you need to factor in the weight of a Marmon V-16; only 281 pounds more than a Studebaker 289!!

AMC V8 540 (one ref showed 600)
AMC 6 500
Audi 2.0 L4 335 (2)
Audi 5 364 (2) (non-turbo)
Audi 80 1300 230 (2)
Audi 100 1500 240 (2)
Austin C-series L6 562 (2) ('56 Austin-Healey 100-6)
BL "B" L4 OHV 335 (2)
BL "E" L6 345 (2)("complete")
BL "O" L4 OHC 298 (2)
BMW M52 3.3,3.5 Big Six 500 (2)
BMW M60 Small Six 388 (2)
BMW slant-6 turbodiesel 430
BMW 4.5L V12 607 (2)
BMW M105 Diesel 6 2.5L 430 (4)
Buick 350 450
Buick 401 685 (1)('59 Nail Head)
Buick 430-455 V8 600 (one ref showed 640)
Buick 1963 odd-fire V6 414 (2)
Buick V6 375
Buick 3.0 V6 '85-up 350
Buick/Rover 215 V8 318 (and Olds)
Buick 1961 215 V8 324 (2)
Cadillac V8 390 720 (1)('59)
Cadillac V8 472-500 625
Cadillac V-16 1,300(2)(1931)
Cadillac 331 V8 699 (2)(1949)
Chevy Corvair flat 6 300
Chevy 1.8-2.0 L4 302 (4)"J car" pushrod
Chevy Chevette 1.6 SOHC 300 (4)(also Opel)
Chevy Vega L4 285
Chevy II 153 L4 350
Chevy L6 194-250 440
Chevy L6 292 ---
Chevy L6 216/235 630 (2)
Chevy V6-90 229, 4.3 425
Chevy V6-60 2.8, 3.1 350 (2)
Chevy small block V8 575 (generic for '60s-'70s motors)
Chevy small block V8 535 (1)('59 Corvette 283 w/alum. intake)
Chevy V8 348/409 620 (1)
Chevy big block V8 685 Mark IV
Chevy big block V8 --- Mark V
Chrysler 2.2 L4 216 (6)(bare motor)
Chrysler 413 wedge 640 (1)('59 300-E)
Chrysler 331 Hemi 745 (5)1955
Citroen 2.0 Douvrin 4 263
DeSoto 383 630 (1)('59)
DeSoto V8 675 (5)(276-341 CID, '50s)
Dodge V8 645 (5)(241-325 CID, '50s)
Dodge 361 625 (1)('59)
Edsel 361 680 (1)('59)
Ferrari 312T 397 (2)(V12 3.0L racing engine)
Ferrari "250" V12 382 (2)
FIAT/Ferrari Dino V6 285 (2)(model 206)
FIAT/Ferrari Dino V6 296 (2)(model 246)
Ford Kent 1600 ---
Ford Escort OHC 1600 ---
Ford 1.3-2.0 OHC ---
Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 418 (2)(also 2.0, 2.5)
Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 450 (2)(turbo)
Ford Germany Taunus V4 205 (2)(and SAAB V4)
Ford England Essex V4 327
Ford Germany 2.0-2.8 V6 305
Ford England Essex V6 379 (2)(3 liter)
Ford 3.8 V6-90 351 (4)(w/start, alt, less clutch)
Ford 170-250 L6 385 (except Australian w/aluminum head)
Ford flathead V8 525
Ford flathead V8 569 (1)('53 239 CID)
Ford Cosworth DFV 353 (2)(racing engine, DOHC, 3.0L)
Ford 255 Windsor 468 (4)
Ford 289/302 V8 460 (late 5.0s are a bit lighter)
Ford BOSS 302 500
Ford 351 Cleveland 550 (includes BOSS and Australian 302-C)
Ford 351 Windsor 510
Ford Y block V8 625 (272-312 CID)
Ford FE big block 650 (332-428 CID)
Ford FE big block 670 (1)('59 352 CID)
Ford 429/460 V8 640
Ford BOSS 429 680 (iron block, aluminum heads)
Isuzu 1.8 Diesel L4 384 (4)
Isuzu 1.8 gas L4 311 (4)
Jaguar V12 680
Lincoln 430 740 (1)('59) (also Mercury 430)
Lotus 907 (Esprit) 275 (3)(inc. alt. & starter, no clutch)
Marmon V-16 931 (2)(1931)
Mercedes SOHC V8 alum. 452 (2)
Mercedes SOHC V8 iron 540 (2)
Mopar Slant Six 475
Mopar 273-340 "A" V8 525
Mopar 360 "A" 550
Mopar 361-383-400 V8 620 (5)
Mopar 413-426W-440 V8 670 (5)
Mopar Street Hemi 765 (690 bare)
Nissan 240-300Z 6 ---
Nissan CA20 FWD 269 (4)belt cam
Nissan Z20 NAPS-Z 2.0 346 (4)RWD chain cam
Olds 215 V8 318 (same as Buick/Rover)
Olds 260 V8 ---
Olds 304 "Rocket" V8 671 (2)first Olds V8, 1949
Olds straight-8 614 (2)'40s motor
Olds 330 J2 700 (first generation V8)
Olds 33

cjsteak
11-06-2007, 08:25 PM
That's a really nice list you have there! I wonder how far off the weight distribution would've been in my GT6, if I had chosen the Pierce Arrow V12 at 1130 pounds? ;)

Especially seeing as how the car weighed right at a thousand pounds without the engine in it. :)

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop

cjsteak
11-06-2007, 08:25 PM
That's a really nice list you have there! I wonder how far off the weight distribution would've been in my GT6, if I had chosen the Pierce Arrow V12 at 1130 pounds? ;)

Especially seeing as how the car weighed right at a thousand pounds without the engine in it. :)

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop

fastfritz
11-06-2007, 08:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by cjsteak

That's a really nice list you have there! I wonder how far off the weight distribution would've been in my GT6, if I had chosen the Pierce Arrow V12 at 1130 pounds? ;)

Especially seeing as how the car weighed right at a thousand pounds without the engine in it. :)



Don't forget to add in the extra weight for all the chassis reinforcement!! [:I]

Frank Remlinger
SDC# A004602R
Forgive me, for I drive a Dodge.
http://automotivemachine.net/smleftsdcaps.jpg

fastfritz
11-06-2007, 08:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by cjsteak

That's a really nice list you have there! I wonder how far off the weight distribution would've been in my GT6, if I had chosen the Pierce Arrow V12 at 1130 pounds? ;)

Especially seeing as how the car weighed right at a thousand pounds without the engine in it. :)



Don't forget to add in the extra weight for all the chassis reinforcement!! [:I]

Frank Remlinger
SDC# A004602R
Forgive me, for I drive a Dodge.
http://automotivemachine.net/smleftsdcaps.jpg

cjsteak
11-06-2007, 08:38 PM
LOL... no kidding! That's why I didn't choose to put the 302 in an old Triumph Herald I used to have. If you've ever seen the frame on a Herald, or can even find a pic of one, you'll know why.:D You and I could probably stand on opposite ends of the bare frame, and flex it 15+ degrees no problem. I just had to sell that one... not worth it! [xx(]

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop

cjsteak
11-06-2007, 08:38 PM
LOL... no kidding! That's why I didn't choose to put the 302 in an old Triumph Herald I used to have. If you've ever seen the frame on a Herald, or can even find a pic of one, you'll know why.:D You and I could probably stand on opposite ends of the bare frame, and flex it 15+ degrees no problem. I just had to sell that one... not worth it! [xx(]

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop

buddymander
11-06-2007, 09:37 PM
The only consideration besides weight should be starter and exhaust interference with the stock steering. The starter can get in the way quick especially with a 440. I had problems with a 360 SBM and had to use a box outside the frame. The 11" clutch really moved the starter out.

buddymander
11-06-2007, 09:37 PM
The only consideration besides weight should be starter and exhaust interference with the stock steering. The starter can get in the way quick especially with a 440. I had problems with a 360 SBM and had to use a box outside the frame. The 11" clutch really moved the starter out.

nickaboni2
11-07-2007, 03:08 PM
[quote]Originally posted by whacker

Early Cadillac V8 is an easy swap, can be made to look good, too. I've seen one with a 3800 supercharged Buick V6 that looked OK. If you are going for a big power engine, you need to replace the rear end as well, as the little Dana 27 will not hold up well for long. You should also be looking at a disk brake conversion with a dual master cylinder as well. Good luck with your hot rod project.
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nickaboni2
11-07-2007, 03:08 PM
[quote]Originally posted by whacker

Early Cadillac V8 is an easy swap, can be made to look good, too. I've seen one with a 3800 supercharged Buick V6 that looked OK. If you are going for a big power engine, you need to replace the rear end as well, as the little Dana 27 will not hold up well for long. You should also be looking at a disk brake conversion with a dual master cylinder as well. Good luck with your hot rod project.
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the rear end is going to be a dana 44quote]

nickaboni2
11-07-2007, 03:38 PM
[quote]Originally posted by cjsteak

Whoops! I meant to say that the Ford was longer. My mistake.

You can put any engine into any car with enough work. Hell, i've seen a 350 Chevy in a riding lawnmower (do a google search, they're out there and have a club I believe). Funk conversions were also popular to put a Ford flathead in an 8N Ford tractor.

Do the homework and if possible, take a day trip out to a junkyard and start measuring engines. Internet advice is great, but when it comes to technical specs (as shown) it does differ from place to place and nothing is as written in stone as a measuring tape and your own crooked eye. :D

Dick, I like that you placed a Desoto and a Nailhead in your list of cool engine swaps. You sir, have good taste. :)

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop
i have a 322 nailhead in my 55 special/nickaboni]

nickaboni2
11-07-2007, 03:38 PM
[quote]Originally posted by cjsteak

Whoops! I meant to say that the Ford was longer. My mistake.

You can put any engine into any car with enough work. Hell, i've seen a 350 Chevy in a riding lawnmower (do a google search, they're out there and have a club I believe). Funk conversions were also popular to put a Ford flathead in an 8N Ford tractor.

Do the homework and if possible, take a day trip out to a junkyard and start measuring engines. Internet advice is great, but when it comes to technical specs (as shown) it does differ from place to place and nothing is as written in stone as a measuring tape and your own crooked eye. :D

Dick, I like that you placed a Desoto and a Nailhead in your list of cool engine swaps. You sir, have good taste. :)

Chris Salisbury
Hutto/Austin, TX

1958 Commander Starlight Hardtop
i have a 322 nailhead in my 55 special/nickaboni]

nickaboni2
11-07-2007, 03:46 PM
[quote]Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

Nick...
Welcome to the forum...
If this is your first Studebaker, then you have found a great place for information about your Stude.
But it isn't necessarily a great place to ask how to build up a hot rod Stude.

Hot rods, by nature are a reflection on the individual builders tates, and fabricatng abilities.

Some people have great idea's, and no fabricating abilities.
Some people just want to write the check and get it done.
Some people can't afford the hobby and have to cut corners or swap and trade their way along...
No one process has all the benefits and none of the pain that it takes to 'build' a Stude.

You will find that most of the people here prefer their Stude's stock, or only lightly modified.
That's fine.
There are decades of knowledge here.
What almost everyone here will agree on is that a Studebaker should NOT just be slapped together on the cheap.
Treat her like a nice lady that has had a hard working life.
She'll appreciate all the attention and loving care you give to her.
She will treat you well in her retirement years....
Slap her together, and she'll bite you.

Just put a realistic plan together for what you want, and set goals.
Working toward the goal makes the journey that much more fun!
Good luck....and do good work.
Jeff[8D]

[quote]Originally posted by nickaboni2

WHAT KIND OF ENGINE FOR A 51 STARLIGHT COUPE HOT ROD[?]
]
the last stude i restored can be seen in the jdp picture under armor plating revue. its the red one the superhawk/nickaboni

nickaboni2
11-07-2007, 03:46 PM
[quote]Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

Nick...
Welcome to the forum...
If this is your first Studebaker, then you have found a great place for information about your Stude.
But it isn't necessarily a great place to ask how to build up a hot rod Stude.

Hot rods, by nature are a reflection on the individual builders tates, and fabricatng abilities.

Some people have great idea's, and no fabricating abilities.
Some people just want to write the check and get it done.
Some people can't afford the hobby and have to cut corners or swap and trade their way along...
No one process has all the benefits and none of the pain that it takes to 'build' a Stude.

You will find that most of the people here prefer their Stude's stock, or only lightly modified.
That's fine.
There are decades of knowledge here.
What almost everyone here will agree on is that a Studebaker should NOT just be slapped together on the cheap.
Treat her like a nice lady that has had a hard working life.
She'll appreciate all the attention and loving care you give to her.
She will treat you well in her retirement years....
Slap her together, and she'll bite you.

Just put a realistic plan together for what you want, and set goals.
Working toward the goal makes the journey that much more fun!
Good luck....and do good work.
Jeff[8D]

[quote]Originally posted by nickaboni2

WHAT KIND OF ENGINE FOR A 51 STARLIGHT COUPE HOT ROD[?]
]
the last stude i restored can be seen in the jdp picture under armor plating revue. its the red one the superhawk/nickaboni

Ralphie
11-07-2007, 04:29 PM
I noticed that Fastfritz mentioned the Chevy Inline six engine.

I can tell you that the Chevy inline six is a FUN engine, if you can live without a V8!!!:)
I am now in the process of building a 250CID, and another guy here in Norway has had success with a 250 that he finished last year.
He has set the engine up with a draw-through turbo system and the engine now produces about 550hp at around 5000rpm, and also quite a lot of torque around 4000rpm( I haven't got the correct numbers in front of me right now, but it's pretty awsome).

I will set my engine up with a small supercharger and give a classic look.
That said; I was originally going to put the 250 straight six in a 53 Studebaker, but lately I have started to wonder if maybe I'll go for a "souped up" Studebaker engine in the '53 Stude, and in stead use the Chevy 250 engine in a BelAir that I have got(my first Amcar).

I guess this really wasn't much help... BUT the inline six is a FUN alternative to any V8 engine, I think:)

Ralphie
11-07-2007, 04:29 PM
I noticed that Fastfritz mentioned the Chevy Inline six engine.

I can tell you that the Chevy inline six is a FUN engine, if you can live without a V8!!!:)
I am now in the process of building a 250CID, and another guy here in Norway has had success with a 250 that he finished last year.
He has set the engine up with a draw-through turbo system and the engine now produces about 550hp at around 5000rpm, and also quite a lot of torque around 4000rpm( I haven't got the correct numbers in front of me right now, but it's pretty awsome).

I will set my engine up with a small supercharger and give a classic look.
That said; I was originally going to put the 250 straight six in a 53 Studebaker, but lately I have started to wonder if maybe I'll go for a "souped up" Studebaker engine in the '53 Stude, and in stead use the Chevy 250 engine in a BelAir that I have got(my first Amcar).

I guess this really wasn't much help... BUT the inline six is a FUN alternative to any V8 engine, I think:)

fastfritz
11-07-2007, 04:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by Ralphie

I noticed that Fastfritz mentioned the Chevy Inline six engine.

I can tell you that the Chevy inline six is a FUN engine, if you can live without a V8!!!:)
I am now in the process of building a 250CID, and another guy here in Norway has had success with a 250 that he finished last year.
He has set the engine up with a draw-through turbo system and the engine now produces about 550hp at around 5000rpm, and also quite a lot of torque around 4000rpm( I haven't got the correct numbers in front of me right now, but it's pretty awsome).

I will set my engine up with a small supercharger and give a classic look.
That said; I was originally going to put the 250 straight six in a 53 Studebaker, but lately I have started to wonder if maybe I'll go for a "souped up" Studebaker engine in the '53 Stude, and in stead use the Chevy 250 engine in a BelAir that I have got(my first Amcar).

I guess this really wasn't much help... BUT the inline six is a FUN alternative to any V8 engine, I think:)



We built a "Super Six" car as a class project to run at the local oval track in 1976. We used a 292 GMC truck block and stroked it to 383CID. The top of the oil pan had to be dimpled to clear the crank throws and the block was clearanced as well to keep the crank from mashing into something solid! [xx(]
A pair of small block Chevy heads had a chamber cut off each end and then the head(s) was welded together to make a straight six head that bolted right in line with all the 292 head bolt holes. The untouched chambers of the mutated SBC head flowed 50% better than a fully ported 292 stock head. The car won its class the first season then was promptly outlawed! A single Holley 850 fed the GMC six.[:0]

Frank Remlinger
SDC# A004602R
Forgive me, for I drive a Dodge.
http://automotivemachine.net/smleftsdcaps.jpg

fastfritz
11-07-2007, 04:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by Ralphie

I noticed that Fastfritz mentioned the Chevy Inline six engine.

I can tell you that the Chevy inline six is a FUN engine, if you can live without a V8!!!:)
I am now in the process of building a 250CID, and another guy here in Norway has had success with a 250 that he finished last year.
He has set the engine up with a draw-through turbo system and the engine now produces about 550hp at around 5000rpm, and also quite a lot of torque around 4000rpm( I haven't got the correct numbers in front of me right now, but it's pretty awsome).

I will set my engine up with a small supercharger and give a classic look.
That said; I was originally going to put the 250 straight six in a 53 Studebaker, but lately I have started to wonder if maybe I'll go for a "souped up" Studebaker engine in the '53 Stude, and in stead use the Chevy 250 engine in a BelAir that I have got(my first Amcar).

I guess this really wasn't much help... BUT the inline six is a FUN alternative to any V8 engine, I think:)



We built a "Super Six" car as a class project to run at the local oval track in 1976. We used a 292 GMC truck block and stroked it to 383CID. The top of the oil pan had to be dimpled to clear the crank throws and the block was clearanced as well to keep the crank from mashing into something solid! [xx(]
A pair of small block Chevy heads had a chamber cut off each end and then the head(s) was welded together to make a straight six head that bolted right in line with all the 292 head bolt holes. The untouched chambers of the mutated SBC head flowed 50% better than a fully ported 292 stock head. The car won its class the first season then was promptly outlawed! A single Holley 850 fed the GMC six.[:0]

Frank Remlinger
SDC# A004602R
Forgive me, for I drive a Dodge.
http://automotivemachine.net/smleftsdcaps.jpg

s1b
11-07-2007, 04:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by nickaboni2

WHAT KIND OF ENGINE FOR A 51 STARLIGHT COUPE HOT ROD[?]


It's all up to you and what you like. Are you looking to build a period rod? 50's style? If so have you thought about using a built up Champion engine like Cathcarts?Heres a link http://www.cathcartsstudebaker.com/
1950's period is fun, everybody hot rodded just about every engine made at that time.1960's is much like the 50's. If you go modern well its all a matter of where your imagination will take you.
A buddy of mine has a 1934 Ford coupe with 1956 Packard drive train in it(engine.3spd O/D and rear).It's a fun car and most people scratch their heads wondering what type motor it is. Again though it all depends on your taste,wants and needs.



Orlando FLA
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r216/sbittla/studebaker56.jpg

s1b
11-07-2007, 04:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by nickaboni2

WHAT KIND OF ENGINE FOR A 51 STARLIGHT COUPE HOT ROD[?]


It's all up to you and what you like. Are you looking to build a period rod? 50's style? If so have you thought about using a built up Champion engine like Cathcarts?Heres a link http://www.cathcartsstudebaker.com/
1950's period is fun, everybody hot rodded just about every engine made at that time.1960's is much like the 50's. If you go modern well its all a matter of where your imagination will take you.
A buddy of mine has a 1934 Ford coupe with 1956 Packard drive train in it(engine.3spd O/D and rear).It's a fun car and most people scratch their heads wondering what type motor it is. Again though it all depends on your taste,wants and needs.



Orlando FLA
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r216/sbittla/studebaker56.jpg