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66wagon
09-27-2006, 11:16 PM
Hi,

I am looking to buy a 66 Wagonaire and was wandering if anyone can help me identify/confirm any details using the VIN number.

The VIN number CI32I56. I have been told that it is a 66 Wagonaire Daytona and that there were only limited numbers made. It has a 1966 production sticker on the windscreen.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Jim.

StudeDave57
09-28-2006, 01:51 AM
About all a Stude VIN (in this case) will tell you is which car down the line you got...

The best source of info on a Stude is the small plate(s) under the hood, back left-hand corner as you face the car. Once you have those numbers post them here. They'll at least confirm/deny what you've already mentioned you know about the car. For much more then that you'll need to call the Museum in South Bend, Indiana and then fork over some $$$!!! [V]

Give this post a day or two, I'm sure someone will come up with the production numbers and tell you how many were built. There weren't many, I can tell you that!!! As you may already know, '66 was the last year of production. ;)


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
09-28-2006, 01:51 AM
About all a Stude VIN (in this case) will tell you is which car down the line you got...

The best source of info on a Stude is the small plate(s) under the hood, back left-hand corner as you face the car. Once you have those numbers post them here. They'll at least confirm/deny what you've already mentioned you know about the car. For much more then that you'll need to call the Museum in South Bend, Indiana and then fork over some $$$!!! [V]

Give this post a day or two, I'm sure someone will come up with the production numbers and tell you how many were built. There weren't many, I can tell you that!!! As you may already know, '66 was the last year of production. ;)


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

66wagon
09-28-2006, 07:30 AM
Thanks, unfortunately the other numbers that you mentioned are not there. The little plate is missing on this car.

My dilema is that the car is not complete and needs a lot of work. The guy also has a '64 cruiser sedan that I can use for parts as that is beyond repair. I am trying to work out if it is worth my while or not. I have to battle with rust, panel work, dodgy repair work and more. The cars are going cheap but I do not want to spent so much time and money if they are not worth much. What do you people think ?

66wagon
09-28-2006, 07:30 AM
Thanks, unfortunately the other numbers that you mentioned are not there. The little plate is missing on this car.

My dilema is that the car is not complete and needs a lot of work. The guy also has a '64 cruiser sedan that I can use for parts as that is beyond repair. I am trying to work out if it is worth my while or not. I have to battle with rust, panel work, dodgy repair work and more. The cars are going cheap but I do not want to spent so much time and money if they are not worth much. What do you people think ?

John Kirchhoff
09-28-2006, 02:31 PM
All I can say is I'd much rather have a car with a good body and bad motor and the other way around. If you hire the body work done, it gets very expensive in a hurry and isn't much better if you do it yourself. For me anyway, engine rebuilds are pretty much straight forward while body work takes a lot more technique, finesse and grace. I'll put it this way, if you can dance like Gene Kelly, you'll probably be good at body work. If you instead punch like Mike Tyson, stick with the nuts and bolts stuff.

John Kirchhoff
09-28-2006, 02:31 PM
All I can say is I'd much rather have a car with a good body and bad motor and the other way around. If you hire the body work done, it gets very expensive in a hurry and isn't much better if you do it yourself. For me anyway, engine rebuilds are pretty much straight forward while body work takes a lot more technique, finesse and grace. I'll put it this way, if you can dance like Gene Kelly, you'll probably be good at body work. If you instead punch like Mike Tyson, stick with the nuts and bolts stuff.

JDP
09-28-2006, 02:48 PM
Sounds like a car to walk away from unless you don't mind getting upside down moneywise in the car. You could invest more in body work and paint alone then the car would be worth. Buying a $500 car and spenting 10K to make it into a 6K car is not usually a good idea unless it's just labor of love. The missing VIN plate would kill the deal for me even if it was a nice car.

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64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2/4 speed
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
09-28-2006, 02:48 PM
Sounds like a car to walk away from unless you don't mind getting upside down moneywise in the car. You could invest more in body work and paint alone then the car would be worth. Buying a $500 car and spenting 10K to make it into a 6K car is not usually a good idea unless it's just labor of love. The missing VIN plate would kill the deal for me even if it was a nice car.

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Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2/4 speed
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
51 Commander

Swifster
09-28-2006, 06:43 PM
Ditto what John said...

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Tom - Lakeland, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

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Swifster
09-28-2006, 06:43 PM
Ditto what John said...

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Tom - Lakeland, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

Michigan Speed - www.michiganspeed.com
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LS1 Tech - www.ls1tech.com

rockne10
09-28-2006, 08:41 PM
On the other hand, none of us want to see any Studebaker go to scrap. If it's not worth restoring, the parts are worth aiding the resurrection of more worthy vehicles.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

rockne10
09-28-2006, 08:41 PM
On the other hand, none of us want to see any Studebaker go to scrap. If it's not worth restoring, the parts are worth aiding the resurrection of more worthy vehicles.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

bams50
09-28-2006, 09:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by rockne10

On the other hand, none of us want to see any Studebaker go to scrap. If it's not worth restoring, the parts are worth aiding the resurrection of more worthy vehicles.



I agree- where is the car anyway? [8D]

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
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bams50
09-28-2006, 09:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by rockne10

On the other hand, none of us want to see any Studebaker go to scrap. If it's not worth restoring, the parts are worth aiding the resurrection of more worthy vehicles.



I agree- where is the car anyway? [8D]

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

rockne10
09-28-2006, 09:32 PM
Let's regroup. The body plate is nearly insignificant and easily replaced. The VIN tag is required for legal ownership and registration. What's it worth? What work does it need?

Let's not dismiss this too quickly. Just because work is needed it is not automatically a parts car.

What are 66 Wagonaire values? Parts and sheetmetal are readily available. If I needed another project, I'd love to have a 66 Wagonaire.



Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

rockne10
09-28-2006, 09:32 PM
Let's regroup. The body plate is nearly insignificant and easily replaced. The VIN tag is required for legal ownership and registration. What's it worth? What work does it need?

Let's not dismiss this too quickly. Just because work is needed it is not automatically a parts car.

What are 66 Wagonaire values? Parts and sheetmetal are readily available. If I needed another project, I'd love to have a 66 Wagonaire.



Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

66wagon
09-28-2006, 09:35 PM
Thanks for the help !
The car is a bit far from most of you guys, in Australia.
If anyone from Australia is interested in parts, please reply. I do not think that I will buy the complete car.

66wagon
09-28-2006, 09:35 PM
Thanks for the help !
The car is a bit far from most of you guys, in Australia.
If anyone from Australia is interested in parts, please reply. I do not think that I will buy the complete car.

studegary
09-28-2006, 10:24 PM
There were 940 1966 model wagons made. Of this number, only nine were for other than USA and Canada originally. The 940 includes both fixed roof and sliding roof wagons. They were both called Wagonaires in 1966. A sliding roof wagon would be worth more, but not enough for a complete rebuild.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
09-28-2006, 10:24 PM
There were 940 1966 model wagons made. Of this number, only nine were for other than USA and Canada originally. The 940 includes both fixed roof and sliding roof wagons. They were both called Wagonaires in 1966. A sliding roof wagon would be worth more, but not enough for a complete rebuild.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

JDP
09-28-2006, 10:54 PM
A fairly solid 66 wagon project car sold at the Mi. auction for $500, althought that was a bargain, project cars in the 1-3K range are around.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
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http://stude.com
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Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2/4 speed
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
09-28-2006, 10:54 PM
A fairly solid 66 wagon project car sold at the Mi. auction for $500, althought that was a bargain, project cars in the 1-3K range are around.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
Studebaker News Group
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.studebaker
Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2/4 speed
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
51 Commander

Transtar56
09-28-2006, 11:12 PM
" Buying a $500 car and spenting 10K to make it into a 6K car is not usually a good idea unless it's just labor of love. "

I usually buy the Canadian "Collector car Trader" rag every month.
Its full of ads where some guy says "Over 30k invested,askig 15k"
I gotta wonder,where did these people study "investments"

Transtar56
09-28-2006, 11:12 PM
" Buying a $500 car and spenting 10K to make it into a 6K car is not usually a good idea unless it's just labor of love. "

I usually buy the Canadian "Collector car Trader" rag every month.
Its full of ads where some guy says "Over 30k invested,askig 15k"
I gotta wonder,where did these people study "investments"

JDP
09-28-2006, 11:29 PM
I agree, but don't want to give anyone the impression that it's somehow "wrong" to put more money in a car then you'll get back. For some, buying a $500 car and spending more then it would cost to buy one done works for them. They may not have the cash on hand to buy a done car, it might have been a family car, maybe they just enjoy saving a car no matter the cost and that's just fine. If someone comes in here asking for advice on a project car, they should hear the pro's and con's.

For me, I tend to focus on cars I won't get upside down in, and leave the project cars for those that want them, as you all know, it's how I fund my hobby.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
Studebaker News Group
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.studebaker
Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2/4 speed
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
09-28-2006, 11:29 PM
I agree, but don't want to give anyone the impression that it's somehow "wrong" to put more money in a car then you'll get back. For some, buying a $500 car and spending more then it would cost to buy one done works for them. They may not have the cash on hand to buy a done car, it might have been a family car, maybe they just enjoy saving a car no matter the cost and that's just fine. If someone comes in here asking for advice on a project car, they should hear the pro's and con's.

For me, I tend to focus on cars I won't get upside down in, and leave the project cars for those that want them, as you all know, it's how I fund my hobby.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
Studebaker News Group
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.studebaker
Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2/4 speed
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
51 Commander

66wagon
09-28-2006, 11:38 PM
I am not afraid of the work and I am pretty comfortable with all aspects. This wagonaire is a sliding roof one and one of the nine as mentioned and one of two that came to Australia (so I am told).

The VIN number is there as I have previously mentioned and all the bits and peices are there to build it. It does need a full rebuild though. The price that you can sell a car is only proportional to the demand. I guess that what I need to understand is, if I was to sell a completed car for say AUD $10k - $15k would there be any buyers ? ($1 USD = $1.33 AUD)

I have two more days to decide !!!

66wagon
09-28-2006, 11:38 PM
I am not afraid of the work and I am pretty comfortable with all aspects. This wagonaire is a sliding roof one and one of the nine as mentioned and one of two that came to Australia (so I am told).

The VIN number is there as I have previously mentioned and all the bits and peices are there to build it. It does need a full rebuild though. The price that you can sell a car is only proportional to the demand. I guess that what I need to understand is, if I was to sell a completed car for say AUD $10k - $15k would there be any buyers ? ($1 USD = $1.33 AUD)

I have two more days to decide !!!

studegary
09-29-2006, 03:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by 66wagon

I am not afraid of the work and I am pretty comfortable with all aspects. This wagonaire is a sliding roof one and one of the nine as mentioned and one of two that came to Australia (so I am told).

The VIN number is there as I have previously mentioned and all the bits and peices are there to build it. It does need a full rebuild though. The price that you can sell a car is only proportional to the demand. I guess that what I need to understand is, if I was to sell a completed car for say AUD $10k - $15k would there be any buyers ? ($1 USD = $1.33 AUD)

I have two more days to decide !!!


I doubt that you would get one-half that amount in the USA. I have no idea of the Australian market. You will have to assess that part. I can not see making money, or even breaking even, on this project. Just do it if you want to.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
09-29-2006, 03:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by 66wagon

I am not afraid of the work and I am pretty comfortable with all aspects. This wagonaire is a sliding roof one and one of the nine as mentioned and one of two that came to Australia (so I am told).

The VIN number is there as I have previously mentioned and all the bits and peices are there to build it. It does need a full rebuild though. The price that you can sell a car is only proportional to the demand. I guess that what I need to understand is, if I was to sell a completed car for say AUD $10k - $15k would there be any buyers ? ($1 USD = $1.33 AUD)

I have two more days to decide !!!


I doubt that you would get one-half that amount in the USA. I have no idea of the Australian market. You will have to assess that part. I can not see making money, or even breaking even, on this project. Just do it if you want to.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studevic
09-30-2006, 01:31 AM
hi all, I may be interested in one or the other for parts if your not , it all depends what area of Australia the cars are , distance is the killer.
I doubt the wagon is a 1966 model, none came over here, i have never seen one around and i have been into studes for forty years, its properly a 1965 but not sold untill 66. Its possilbe to buy a good Cruiser here on the road for between $3000 to $10,OOO so i would place a car that needs work around $500 up to $3000, just my opinion, let us know what state the cars in , regards from roger.

R.A.Jennings

studevic
09-30-2006, 01:31 AM
hi all, I may be interested in one or the other for parts if your not , it all depends what area of Australia the cars are , distance is the killer.
I doubt the wagon is a 1966 model, none came over here, i have never seen one around and i have been into studes for forty years, its properly a 1965 but not sold untill 66. Its possilbe to buy a good Cruiser here on the road for between $3000 to $10,OOO so i would place a car that needs work around $500 up to $3000, just my opinion, let us know what state the cars in , regards from roger.

R.A.Jennings

StudeRich
09-30-2006, 04:00 PM
Hey people, I just thought some of you might want to know, this serial C132156 translates to a 6 cylinder 1966 Studebaker. The starting serial for 6 cyl. 1966's is: C130001. Not a '65 and not a V-8 also not a Daytona, as there were none in '66!:(

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
09-30-2006, 04:00 PM
Hey people, I just thought some of you might want to know, this serial C132156 translates to a 6 cylinder 1966 Studebaker. The starting serial for 6 cyl. 1966's is: C130001. Not a '65 and not a V-8 also not a Daytona, as there were none in '66!:(

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Scott
09-30-2006, 04:40 PM
EH? There were LOTS of Daytonas made in 1966!

Scott
09-30-2006, 04:40 PM
EH? There were LOTS of Daytonas made in 1966!

StudeRich
09-30-2006, 07:42 PM
Scott, it's a Wagonaire! The only Daytona was the Sport Sedan (2dr. Sedan) in '66. The Wagonaire only came in one trim level for '66 it was called a "Wagonaire". The model code was P8 like the '64 and '65 Daytona Wagonaires, but the interior was more like a Commander, I think I remember the floor had a plain rubber mat. The Exterior didn't have the stainless door window mouldings either.


quote:Originally posted by Scott

EH? There were LOTS of Daytonas made in 1966!


StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
09-30-2006, 07:42 PM
Scott, it's a Wagonaire! The only Daytona was the Sport Sedan (2dr. Sedan) in '66. The Wagonaire only came in one trim level for '66 it was called a "Wagonaire". The model code was P8 like the '64 and '65 Daytona Wagonaires, but the interior was more like a Commander, I think I remember the floor had a plain rubber mat. The Exterior didn't have the stainless door window mouldings either.


quote:Originally posted by Scott

EH? There were LOTS of Daytonas made in 1966!


StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA