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65cruiser
10-25-2007, 09:54 AM
This is just one of those things that make my mind wander, and thought it'd be nice to put in the old memory banks.

I know it's possible to change the front clip of a Champ so that it has a Lark front end. For example, a 62 Lark front end instead of the Champ. Is that done by swapping out the front panel only, or the entire clip?

Next question. If you can swap the entire front clip from a 62 Lark onto a Champ, I'm supposing you could replace the grille with a 63 Lark grille...correct?

Okay, now SOMEWHERE I've seen a Champ pickup with a 64-65 Lark front clip, and even one that had a 66. I know the cowl is different on the 63-66 Larks, so how would that be done?

Not that I'm planning on doing this, but it's just one of those nagging questions........;)

Mark Anderson
1965 Cruiser
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Home of the Cruiser Registry

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Roscomacaw
10-25-2007, 10:27 AM
Actually, the cowl's different starting in '61, so figure those ones you've seen have had to be "worked" as well.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-25-2007, 10:27 AM
Actually, the cowl's different starting in '61, so figure those ones you've seen have had to be "worked" as well.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

65cruiser
10-25-2007, 11:54 AM
The Lark cowl was different, or the Champ?


quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Actually, the cowl's different starting in '61, so figure those ones you've seen have had to be "worked" as well.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe




Mark Anderson
1965 Cruiser
http://home.alltel.net/anderm
Home of the Cruiser Registry

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/smstude.jpg

65cruiser
10-25-2007, 11:54 AM
The Lark cowl was different, or the Champ?


quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Actually, the cowl's different starting in '61, so figure those ones you've seen have had to be "worked" as well.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe




Mark Anderson
1965 Cruiser
http://home.alltel.net/anderm
Home of the Cruiser Registry

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/smstude.jpg

Transtar60
10-25-2007, 12:00 PM
The Later lark types have a different cowl, starting with 61 when they added the cowl vent in front of the windshield. It differs in other details as well.
IIRC seeing a 66 Lark type pseudo Champ a few years(or ten)ago in Turning Wheels, seems to me it was a Sedan or Wagonaire with the back panel of a Champ pickup welded to the front half of a sedan/wagon body on a car chassis.

And there was a Champ with 62 front clip on it on ebay a year or so ago.
IIRC it was in Pennsylvania or New York.



http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10056/5E13%20Pic%203.JPG
3E38
4E2
4E28
5E13
7E7
8E7
8E12
8E28

59 Lark
etc

Transtar60
10-25-2007, 12:00 PM
The Later lark types have a different cowl, starting with 61 when they added the cowl vent in front of the windshield. It differs in other details as well.
IIRC seeing a 66 Lark type pseudo Champ a few years(or ten)ago in Turning Wheels, seems to me it was a Sedan or Wagonaire with the back panel of a Champ pickup welded to the front half of a sedan/wagon body on a car chassis.

And there was a Champ with 62 front clip on it on ebay a year or so ago.
IIRC it was in Pennsylvania or New York.



http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10056/5E13%20Pic%203.JPG
3E38
4E2
4E28
5E13
7E7
8E7
8E12
8E28

59 Lark
etc

Guido
10-25-2007, 12:31 PM
I also recall an "El Camino" type makeover on e-Bay in the past year that had a '64 Daytona front half on it.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
10-25-2007, 12:31 PM
I also recall an "El Camino" type makeover on e-Bay in the past year that had a '64 Daytona front half on it.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

StudeRich
10-25-2007, 03:42 PM
I think your "dream" is on the right track with the '64 front clip idea!

There was a Champ pickup at the Portland International meet, it had a '64 or '65 Commander front body half, with the Champ. rear panel welded in, and was placed on a 3/4 ton Champ truck frame with the long wide box and all. The first thing that entered my mind was: "that is exactly how I see Studebaker updating the truck in 1965 or 1966!" [^]

It was a dirty Blue one, and obviously a nice well done truck, just a driver, not a show truck and was not judged.

This truck really looked GREAT!


quote:Originally posted by 65cruiser

Okay, now SOMEWHERE I've seen a Champ pickup with a 64-65 Lark front clip, and even one that had a 66.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
10-25-2007, 03:42 PM
I think your "dream" is on the right track with the '64 front clip idea!

There was a Champ pickup at the Portland International meet, it had a '64 or '65 Commander front body half, with the Champ. rear panel welded in, and was placed on a 3/4 ton Champ truck frame with the long wide box and all. The first thing that entered my mind was: "that is exactly how I see Studebaker updating the truck in 1965 or 1966!" [^]

It was a dirty Blue one, and obviously a nice well done truck, just a driver, not a show truck and was not judged.

This truck really looked GREAT!


quote:Originally posted by 65cruiser

Okay, now SOMEWHERE I've seen a Champ pickup with a 64-65 Lark front clip, and even one that had a 66.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

65cruiser
10-25-2007, 05:06 PM
As a matter of fact, it WAS blue, or black IIRC. I'm waiting for Leonard to come up with some pictures out of his endless stash[8D]

Mark Anderson
1965 Cruiser
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Home of the Cruiser Registry

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65cruiser
10-25-2007, 05:06 PM
As a matter of fact, it WAS blue, or black IIRC. I'm waiting for Leonard to come up with some pictures out of his endless stash[8D]

Mark Anderson
1965 Cruiser
http://home.alltel.net/anderm
Home of the Cruiser Registry

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/smstude.jpg

bentlee
10-25-2007, 05:48 PM
On this subject... will a front clip from a 57 sedan fit the champ cab?

Or possibly even a 53 - 55 sedan front clip?

Brent Lee
61 Hawk

bentlee
10-25-2007, 05:48 PM
On this subject... will a front clip from a 57 sedan fit the champ cab?

Or possibly even a 53 - 55 sedan front clip?

Brent Lee
61 Hawk

lstude
10-25-2007, 06:33 PM
quote:I'm waiting for Leonard to come up with some pictures out of his endless stash

The only thing close I have is this one.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/66Studebakerpickupfront.jpg

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

lstude
10-25-2007, 06:33 PM
quote:I'm waiting for Leonard to come up with some pictures out of his endless stash

The only thing close I have is this one.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/66Studebakerpickupfront.jpg

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

8E45E
10-25-2007, 07:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich
The first thing that entered my mind was: "that is exactly how I see Studebaker updating the truck in 1965 or 1966!" [^]



I'm guessing Studebaker may have proceeded with that cab-forward 1/2 ton, of which the prototype is in the SNM. There is one photo with a wood mock-up of it in the background with "Champ" scripts on it.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2086/1752815734_fb6c2c3e70_b.jpg

Craig

8E45E
10-25-2007, 07:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich
The first thing that entered my mind was: "that is exactly how I see Studebaker updating the truck in 1965 or 1966!" [^]



I'm guessing Studebaker may have proceeded with that cab-forward 1/2 ton, of which the prototype is in the SNM. There is one photo with a wood mock-up of it in the background with "Champ" scripts on it.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2086/1752815734_fb6c2c3e70_b.jpg

Craig

Transtar60
10-25-2007, 08:29 PM
That Cab over is one ugly little truck but I guess I would have to have one if they had made it.
How about the Country Squire style Wagonaire:)

http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10056/5E13%20Pic%203.JPG
3E38
4E2
4E28
5E13
7E7
8E7
8E12
8E28

59 Lark
etc

Transtar60
10-25-2007, 08:29 PM
That Cab over is one ugly little truck but I guess I would have to have one if they had made it.
How about the Country Squire style Wagonaire:)

http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10056/5E13%20Pic%203.JPG
3E38
4E2
4E28
5E13
7E7
8E7
8E12
8E28

59 Lark
etc

StudeRich
10-25-2007, 09:59 PM
Wow! That's great Craig! I have never seen that prototype before! They did an excellent job of shaping that front fender wood moulding around the wheelwell, I like it! They could have called it the Daytona Country Sedan! NICE![^]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
10-25-2007, 09:59 PM
Wow! That's great Craig! I have never seen that prototype before! They did an excellent job of shaping that front fender wood moulding around the wheelwell, I like it! They could have called it the Daytona Country Sedan! NICE![^]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

8E45E
10-25-2007, 10:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Wow! That's great Craig! They could have called it the Daytona Country Sedan! NICE![^]



How about Conestoga Cruiser instead?

(Its the only photo I've seen that shows the 'Champ' script on the cab-forward truck which is barely visible in the background. That's why I drew an arrow to it in red.);)

Craig

8E45E
10-25-2007, 10:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Wow! That's great Craig! They could have called it the Daytona Country Sedan! NICE![^]



How about Conestoga Cruiser instead?

(Its the only photo I've seen that shows the 'Champ' script on the cab-forward truck which is barely visible in the background. That's why I drew an arrow to it in red.);)

Craig

Mark57
10-25-2007, 10:25 PM
The 1987 TW article on 1960 - 1964 Champ trucks is the place where I saw the photo of a Champ pick-up that had a '64/65 front grill.:)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/Mr.GreenJeans1002b.jpg

Mark57
10-25-2007, 10:25 PM
The 1987 TW article on 1960 - 1964 Champ trucks is the place where I saw the photo of a Champ pick-up that had a '64/65 front grill.:)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/Mr.GreenJeans1002b.jpg

studegary
10-25-2007, 11:23 PM
Craig - Thanks, I had never seen a picture of that woody Wagonaire before. The strange part is that I made a 1963 woody Daytona Wagonaire in the 1970s. I used wood grain vinyl in a large sheet. I covered the side from end to end and then cut out what I didn't want and cut open the door openings. That way all of the wood graining lined up along the entire side of the wagon. Now I wonder if I ever took a picture of it before I sold it.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
10-25-2007, 11:23 PM
Craig - Thanks, I had never seen a picture of that woody Wagonaire before. The strange part is that I made a 1963 woody Daytona Wagonaire in the 1970s. I used wood grain vinyl in a large sheet. I covered the side from end to end and then cut out what I didn't want and cut open the door openings. That way all of the wood graining lined up along the entire side of the wagon. Now I wonder if I ever took a picture of it before I sold it.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

53k
10-26-2007, 11:16 AM
quote:Originally posted by 65cruiser

This is just one of those things that make my mind wander, and thought it'd be nice to put in the old memory banks.
I know it's possible to change the front clip of a Champ so that it has a Lark front end. For example, a 62 Lark front end instead of the Champ. Is that done by swapping out the front panel only, or the entire clip?
Next question. If you can swap the entire front clip from a 62 Lark onto a Champ, I'm supposing you could replace the grille with a 63 Lark grille...correct?
Okay, now SOMEWHERE I've seen a Champ pickup with a 64-65 Lark front clip, and even one that had a 66. I know the cowl is different on the 63-66 Larks, so how would that be done?
Not that I'm planning on doing this, but it's just one of those nagging questions........;)

My '64 Champ (deceased- totaled in collision in '83) had a '63 Lark front panel in place of the original '59-'60. It was that way when I bought it, but it appeared to be a bolt-on. That gave me the nice grille and dual headlights which (I thought) looked good on the truck. I replaced the ugly bumper with a lark bumper with bumper guards, but I mounted it higher. Unfortunately, the only pix I can find are some Polaroid shots that I took after it was wreck. Maybe I can scan one that will at least give an idea of how it looked.


[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

53k
10-26-2007, 11:16 AM
quote:Originally posted by 65cruiser

This is just one of those things that make my mind wander, and thought it'd be nice to put in the old memory banks.
I know it's possible to change the front clip of a Champ so that it has a Lark front end. For example, a 62 Lark front end instead of the Champ. Is that done by swapping out the front panel only, or the entire clip?
Next question. If you can swap the entire front clip from a 62 Lark onto a Champ, I'm supposing you could replace the grille with a 63 Lark grille...correct?
Okay, now SOMEWHERE I've seen a Champ pickup with a 64-65 Lark front clip, and even one that had a 66. I know the cowl is different on the 63-66 Larks, so how would that be done?
Not that I'm planning on doing this, but it's just one of those nagging questions........;)

My '64 Champ (deceased- totaled in collision in '83) had a '63 Lark front panel in place of the original '59-'60. It was that way when I bought it, but it appeared to be a bolt-on. That gave me the nice grille and dual headlights which (I thought) looked good on the truck. I replaced the ugly bumper with a lark bumper with bumper guards, but I mounted it higher. Unfortunately, the only pix I can find are some Polaroid shots that I took after it was wreck. Maybe I can scan one that will at least give an idea of how it looked.


[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

65cruiser
10-26-2007, 11:27 AM
That's one of them I was thinking of. So, this particular one is a wagon, with the back of a Champ cab welded on and the bed--correct?


quote:Originally posted by lstude


quote:I'm waiting for Leonard to come up with some pictures out of his endless stash

The only thing close I have is this one.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/



Mark Anderson
1965 Cruiser
http://home.alltel.net/anderm
Home of the Cruiser Registry

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/smstude.jpg

65cruiser
10-26-2007, 11:27 AM
That's one of them I was thinking of. So, this particular one is a wagon, with the back of a Champ cab welded on and the bed--correct?


quote:Originally posted by lstude


quote:I'm waiting for Leonard to come up with some pictures out of his endless stash

The only thing close I have is this one.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/



Mark Anderson
1965 Cruiser
http://home.alltel.net/anderm
Home of the Cruiser Registry

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/smstude.jpg